1901-1999 replay

[Rahhja]

I decided to do a replay from 1901 to 1999. In this replay waivers were off; financials off; rookies went to there own teams; and no re-calc.

I wanted to see how things would work out.

Just a little taste of what I found when I looked through the history.

- Pitsburgh had the most world titles with 19 followed by the A's at 13

- Lloyd Moseby is the HR leader with 820 (and still playing at the age of 40)

- Rogers Hornsby is the hits leader with 4928

- Ken Brett went 30-8 with Boston in 1971

- Sam McDowell won 338 games for the Indians

All in all and very satisfactory change to history

Anyone wants to know how their favorite player did. I'll look em up.

[RoyalsBlue]

How did Ken's little brother George do in your replay?

[Rahhja]

Originally Posted by RoyalsBlue

How did Ken's little brother George do in your replay?

George played from 1973 till his retirement after the 1990 Season (all in KC). He had a pretty unspectacular career. His best year was 1978 where he hit 20 homers, knocked in 120 runs and hit .317. He hit over .300 4 times and was voted to the 1978 All-star game (his only trip.)

His career numbers:

Hits: 2389 2b: 458 3b: 100 HR: 214 RBI: 1177 Avg: .272

[MorseMoose]

Kirby Puckett
Brad Radke
Jackie Robinson
Mike Piazza
Dana Kiecker
Terry Steinbach

[Rahhja]

Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Kirby Puckett
Brad Radke
Jackie Robinson
Mike Piazza
Dana Kiecker
Terry Steinbach

Kirby never became a starter in Minnesota while being stuck behind Jim Eisenreich. Minnesota traded him to Cleveland in 1988 where he started for the next 5 years but never got off the ground, statwise. He did win 4 Gold Gloves before retiring in 1995.

Career stats:

H: 997 2b: 103 3b: 13 HR: 42 RBI: 317 Avg: .262

Steinbach played for Oakland his entire career and retired in 1998. He was a starter until 1994 where he started splitting time with Greg Meyers. His best season was 1987 where he hit 25 homers, drove in 72 runs and hit .252. He also won the Gold Glove in 1989.

Career numbers:

H: 1177 2b: 192 3b: 15 HR: 135 RBI: 572 Avg .233

Dana came up to the show in 1990 with the Redsox. He was traded after 14 starts to the Whitesox, where he played the next 8 years before beign traded to Arizona in 1998. His best year was the 1990 season where he went a combined 13-11 3.22 ERA with Boston and Chicago. He retired after the 1999 season.

He has a career record of 56-76 with an ERA of 4.97.

Brad came right up and started for the Twins in 95. He played with them till he was traded in 99 to Tampa. Too bad because the Twins won the World Series in 99

He's 63-54 record with an ERA of 4.36. He's pretty much how he was in real life. 200+ innings, 4+ ERA, 150+ K's. A horse.

Mr. Robinson played for the Dodgers for 9 years before being traded to the Whitesox before the 1956 season. Spent his first 3 years as a back-up to Ed Stevens before winning the starting job in 1950. He had a breakout year hitting .302 with 30 homers and 86 RBI's but unfortunately this was his peak.

His final stats:

H: 1396 2b: 220 3b: 73 HR: 128: RBI: 578 Avg: .287

Mike Piazza is a hitting machine. He's been with the Dodgers for his entire career. 20+ homers 8 straight years. His biggest year so far has been 1997 where he hit 37 homers, drove in 121 runs and batted .346.

Career stats:

H: 1519 2b: 209 3b: 13 HR: 237 RBI: 907 Avg: .314

[RoyalsBlue]

Originally Posted by Rahhja

George played from 1973 till his retirement after the 1990 Season (all in KC). He had a pretty unspectacular career. His best year was 1978 where he hit 20 homers, knocked in 120 runs and hit .317. He hit over .300 4 times and was voted to the 1978 All-star game (his only trip.)

His career numbers:

Hits: 2389 2b: 458 3b: 100 HR: 214 RBI: 1177 Avg: .272

Well, not quite HOF caliber, but a solid career nonetheless. How has the Royals organization done as a whole? Also, how has Frank White fared?

[Rahhja]

Originally Posted by RoyalsBlue

Well, not quite HOF caliber, but a solid career nonetheless. How has the Royals organization done as a whole? Also, how has Frank White fared?

The Royals are one of the few teams that have never made the playoffs. Their best years were in 86 and 93 where they won 87 games and finished second in the division both times.

Frank White played for K.C. his entire career before retiring in 1985. He only started a few years and both those years were awful. He ended up with 14 homers, 138 rbi's and an average of .242 for his career.

[RoyalsBlue]

Originally Posted by Rahhja

The Royals are one of the few teams that have never made the playoffs. Their best years were in 86 and 93 where they one 87 games and finished second in the division both times.

Frank White played for K.C. his entire career before retiring in 1985. He only started a few years and both those years were awful. He ended up with 14 homers, 138 rbi's and an average of .242 for his career.

I'm finding that I don't like your sim, Rahhja! j/k

How's the Cardinals done as a team and with Stan Musial and Bob Gibson in particular?

[Rahhja]

Originally Posted by RoyalsBlue

I'm finding that I don't like your sim, Rahhja! j/k

How's the Cardinals done as a team and with Stan Musial and Bob Gibson in particular?

Sorry

St. Louis has made the playoffs 13 times and have been World Series Champs 4 of those times wuth their last title coming in 1987.

Stan the Man had a decent career with the Cardinals till his retirement in 1957. His biggest year came in 1947 where he hit .359 with 31 homers and 129 runs batted in and won the MVP.

His numbers:

H: 2449 2b: 436 3b: 145 HR: 302 RBI: 1360 Avg: .303

He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1957.

[JungleJim99]

I'll join in the fun and ask about how some of my favorite players fared in your reply:

Reggie Jackson
Freddie Lindstrom
Goose Goslin
Waite Hoyt
Ron Guidry
Mickey Mantle


Thanks!

[Rahhja]

Mr. October, Reginald Martinez Jackson, won back to back MVP's in 1968 and 69. He had another strong year in 1970 before getting hit with the injury bug. After 1971 he never again played a full season and was bounced from Oakland to Kansas City for a year then off to Minnesota for 2 more years then finally landing in Philadelphia for the remander of his career. He reitired in 1985.

His final stats:

H: 1482 2b: 176 3b: 42 HR: 291 RBI: 905 Avg: .241

Freddie Lindstrom had a very unremarkable career. He played for the Giants until 1935 when he was traded to the Redsox. He only started a couple of years and never amounted to anything. He played out his final few seasons with the Whitesox and retired in 1940. His best year was in 1927 where he hit .293 with 10 homers and 99 RBI.

H: 1054 2b: 140 3b: 49 HR: 65 RBI: 419 Avg: .288

Goose Goslin spent his entire 19 year Hall of Fame career with the Washington Senators. Had a string of 8 fantastic years from 1922 to 1929 averaging 15 homers and 100 RBI and winning the MVP in 1923. He won 8 Gold Gloves but only went to the World Series once...and lost.

H: 3034 2b: 591 3b: 146 HR: 216 RBI: 1596 Avg: .330

The Schoolboy played almost 12 years in the Giants farm system (with a few cups of coffee) before retiring in 1930. He had a record of 9 and 8 in the majors and 141 and 129 in the minors.

Ron Guidry was traded from New York to Texas for Bill Madlock in 1976 and never recovered from that betrayal. Texas was a very bad team and he wasn't very good with them. He was then sent to the Whitesox in 1981 for Chet Lemon. He lost more games then he one in Chicago and retired in 1988 with a 96 and 92 record. His only great achievment was pitching the Yanks to the 1976 World Series Championship.

The Mick had some very Mick-esque years. He hit 20+ homers 12 years in a row with the Yankees. He won 4 MVP awards and the triple crown in 1954 with a line of .359 45 104. He was traded to Boston in 1965 and put up a few more good years before retiring in 1971 while toiling for the Whitesox. He brought the Yankees to the Series 7 times in his tenure with them, winning teh title 4 times. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame upon retirment. A true hero.

H: 3062 2b: 422 3b: 129 HR: 560 RBI: 1786 Avg: .279

[JungleJim99]

Thanks for the reply. I might have to give that a try. Did you sim one year at a time or is there a way to sim multiple years all at once?

[Rahhja]

Yes you can sim to a selected date whether it's 1 day or 100 years.

[rowech]

So is playing without recalc the key to getting varied results? I'm doing a league from 1901. I've gone up through 1909 and I've won the pennant every year and the world series seven of those seasons.

[Rahhja]

Originally Posted by rowech

So is playing without recalc the key to getting varied results? I'm doing a league from 1901. I've gone up through 1909 and I've won the pennant every year and the world series seven of those seasons.

Having recalc ON will give you a historicaly(sp) reliable replay. Barring major injury most players will mimic their actual careers because the computer every few years recalcs the ratings to put them in line with historic numbers.

Having recalc OFF will let the AI take the players and run with them. When the players are created the rating are initially based on lifetime stats but that is the only time they will be looked at. So when Ted Williams gets inported as a rookie the computer will look at his career stats and come up with his potential. The rest is mostly random. Though players with high starting potential will generally do better then players with lower potential.

I just like the uncertainly of it all. Play the ultimate what if...

[rowech]

Originally Posted by Rahhja

Having recalc ON will give you a historicaly(sp) reliable replay. Barring major injury most players will mimic their actual careers because the computer every few years recalcs the ratings to put them in line with historic numbers.

Having recalc OFF will let the AI take the players and run with them. When the players are created the rating are initially based on lifetime stats but that is the only time they will be looked at. So when Ted Williams gets inported as a rookie the computer will look at his career stats and come up with his potential. The rest is mostly random. Though players with high starting potential will generally do better then players with lower potential.

I just like the uncertainly of it all. Play the ultimate what if...

A lot harder to abuse it sounds like? I feel I can pretty much run off however many pennants in a row I want. I'll have to try that way.

[scott1964]

Gary Carter
Steve Rogers
Tom Seaver
Nolan Ryan
Rod Carew
Larry Walker
Walter Johnson
Roger Hornsby
Pete Alexander
Ted Williams

[Rahhja]

Originally Posted by scott1964

Gary Carter
Steve Rogers
Tom Seaver
Nolan Ryan
Rod Carew
Larry Walker
Walter Johnson
Roger Hornsby
Pete Alexander
Ted Williams

"Kid" Carter played his entire career (1974 to 1989) with the Expos. Never a monstrous presence, but always a starter. His biggest year came in 1975 when he hit .278 with 28 homers and 95 RBI. He brought his team to teh World Series once and that was in 1979 but lost to the Red Sox. Other then 79 his teams were not very good and his stats suffered.

His final line:

H: 1937 2b: 281 3b: 34 HR: 205 RBI: 865 Avg. 254

Mr. Rogers played for 10 years with 2 teams, Montreal and St. Louis. In those 10 years he averaged almost 14 wins a year but unfortunately averaged 15 losses. He did have a carrer ERA of 3.35. The Expos and Cardinals were pretty bad in the years he was there. Very respectable pitcher.

Tom Terrific was awesome...until he fractured his skull. He lead the Mets to back to back championships in 67 and 68 going a combined 42 and 20. 1969 was his best year gong 23 and 8 with a 2.24 ERA. On April 8th 1970 Tom Seaver was hit in the head by a batted ball during the 6th inning of a game. He was out for 13 months. He made multiple comeback attempts with the Phillies, Red Sox and fianally the Mariners but was just not the same. He retired for good in 1980.

His career line:

W: 159 L: 123 ERA: 3.76 K's: 1524

The Ryan Express spent more time in the minors in his 19 year career then pitching to major league hitters. He was left unprotected in the 1968 expansion draft and was picked by the Padres. In 1971 he was traded to the White Sox where he spent 9 years in the minors before getting another shot. He retired in 1985 with a career record of 49 and 75.

Rod Carew was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1983 after a 17 year stint with the Twins. He hit .365 in 1972. He brought the twins to the World Series in 1978 but lost to the Mets.

Stats:

H: 3241 2b: 452 3b: 145 HR: 111 RBI: 1239 Avg: .311

I will finish up the last 5 tonight. Anyone care to make a guess about who made the HOF and who didn't? Some big names left.

[SittingDuck]

Steve Carlton
Jim Palmer

[ryanivr]

Don Mattingly please