new historical sim starting in 1903

[Impossible2Refute]

Originally Posted by Lenon Honor

How did Matt Bush do? he is my cousin.

Matt Bush was never imported. Sorry. I don't think anyone is created that has never been called up.

[Caporegime]

I love these. I wish I had seen this thread a little sooner.

How about Thurman Munson, Ron Guidry...and let's try an obscure one...Ray Fontenot.

Thanks in advance

[Impossible2Refute]

Originally Posted by Caporegime

I love these. I wish I had seen this thread a little sooner.

How about Thurman Munson, Ron Guidry...and let's try an obscure one...Ray Fontenot.

Thanks in advance

Thurman Munson
1969-1976 Boston Red Sox
1977 Detroit Tigers
1978 Pittsburgh Pirates
1979 Cincinnati Reds
1980-1982 St. Louis Browns
1982 St. Louis Cardinals
1983 St. Louis Browns
1984 St. Louis Cardinals
1985 St. Louis Browns

Munson's last season he was a full time starter was 1976 until 1984 when he had 541 at bats for the Cardinals. Moved around a lot in his career and stuck around for a very long time.
Hits - 1,616
Homeruns - 104
Average - .257
OBP - .301

Never played in the postseason. Never won any yearly awards. An average player with a longer than average career.

Ron Guidry
1976-1985 St. Louis Browns
1985-1990 Cleveland Indians

Had a solid career for both teams.
Went 202-195 with a 3.35 career ERA.
1977(best season - 1987 was a close second) - Went 19-19 with a 2.81 ERA.
Never pitched in postseason
4 time all-star
1 gold glove
Led the AL in complete games 4 times.

Ray Fontenot
1985-1986 Chicago Cubs
1987-1988 Washington Senators
Pitched 103 total innings with a 4.06 ERA
1988(best and last season) - went 6-0 with a 2.70 ERA
Made 2 starts in his career - his only two appearances in 86. Went 2-0 with a 3.46 ERA.
Never pitched in postseason

[Caporegime]

Thanks for the quick response. Interesting stuff.

I can do this all day, but let me know when you get tired of this.

Bobby Murcer
Joe DiMaggio
Bill Madlock
And one more obscure one, Sam Militello

Thanks

[Impossible2Refute]

Originally Posted by Caporegime

Thanks for the quick response. Interesting stuff.

I can do this all day, but let me know when you get tired of this.

Bobby Murcer
Joe DiMaggio
Bill Madlock
And one more obscure one, Sam Militello

Thanks

Bobby Murcer
1971 Cincinnati Reds
1971-1973 Philadelphia Athletics
1973-1975 Detroit Tigers
1976 New York Giants(14 at bats)
1978 Washington Senators(27 at bats)
1979 Chicago White Sox(3 at bats)

Murcer had a decent first 4 years in the league. After that he started seeing limited at bats.
Hits - 688
Homeruns - 81
AVG - .259
OBP - .342
1973(best season with Athletics and Tigers) - .279 AVG and .355 OBP, 19 homeruns, 83 rbis, and 35 doubles
Never played in postseason and has 1 gold glove

Joe DiMaggio
1936-1952 New York Yankees
1953 Pittsburgh Pirates

Excellent career - starting winning MVPs once Ted Williams had his career ending injury
Hits - 3,147
Homeruns - 540
Average - .321
OBP - .387
1943(best season) - .342 avg, .410 obp, 49 homeruns, 137 rbis
13 time all-star
3 gold gloves
2 MVPs(1948 and 1949)

236 postseason at bats - .314 average, .371 obp, 10 homeruns, and 40 rbis
Won 9 pennants with the Yankees and 3 world championships
Longest hitting streak was 23

Bill Madlock
1973-1979 Chicago White Sox
1980-1983 Pittsburgh Pirates
1984-1987 Boston Red Sox
1988-1989 New York Yankees

Had a good career
Hits - 2,347
Homeruns - 155
AVG - .280
OBP - .320
1978(best season) - .304 average, .346 obp, 18 homeruns, and 84 rbis

4 time all-star
3 pennants with white sox and 1 championship
2 pennants with Pirates and 1 championship

Sam Militello
1994-1995 Detroit Tigers
5-2 with a 3.75 ERA in 57 innings.

[thehef]

Starting with Cobb and a few others - when their talent level would drop lower than their real ratings I would take the talent rating and add 4 more points above their best current rating (confusing process to read about, I know). I would shorlist players and make sure those players are closest to their real ratings as possible. I would change the ratings once in the offseason if needed. Once the player reached the age of 24 I would unshortlist the player and let the computer do it's thing.

Some questions about the above...

So, over the life of your sime, how many players do you think you tweaked like you did Cobb? How many of those required multiple tweaks?

How did you determine which players to shortlist? Were you only concerned with superstars & favorities, etc., or was your list more inclusive?

Would you say that this generally helped your players develop more realistically? Did you do any of this in reverse to prevent more Sam Horn's?

Nice work. Thanks in advance.

[HFBL]

I'm just curious about Shoeless Joe Jackson's career. How long did it take for him to contribute? How about Amos Rusie? He was a late bloomer. And don't forget about Jamie Moyer.

Ralph Kiner had one of the greatest 10 year periods of all time. What was his lifetime stats?

How many strikeouts did Nolan Ryan get?

[Impossible2Refute]

Originally Posted by thehef

Some questions about the above...

So, over the life of your sime, how many players do you think you tweaked like you did Cobb? How many of those required multiple tweaks?

How did you determine which players to shortlist? Were you only concerned with superstars & favorities, etc., or was your list more inclusive?

Would you say that this generally helped your players develop more realistically? Did you do any of this in reverse to prevent more Sam Horn's?

Nice work. Thanks in advance.

Every year, I would shortlist a few players. The longer the sim went, the more players I would shortlist that given year. When it got into the 80's and 90's I found myself tweaking a number of players simply because I remembered more of them. Overall, it helped the development of players a lot. I've done sims before and guys like Cobb went right down the drain. They'd be spectacular right off the bat, and then they'd just go down hill. Mostly, I shortlisted the bigger stars. It would have been too time consumin had I done everyone. As I said before, I stopped tweaking before they reached the age of 25. I would tweak if needed be at the age of 24, but I would unshortlist them after that particular tweak. If their talent levels continued to go down hill after that I wouldn't mess with it anymore. I did not do anything to reverse a players growth. Even in extreme cases such as Sam Horn.

[Impossible2Refute]

Originally Posted by HFBL

I'm just curious about Shoeless Joe Jackson's career. How long did it take for him to contribute? How about Amos Rusie? He was a late bloomer. And don't forget about Jamie Moyer.

Ralph Kiner had one of the greatest 10 year periods of all time. What was his lifetime stats?

How many strikeouts did Nolan Ryan get?

At work at the moment. Will get to the rest of them and go into more detail about Jackson tomorrow. Jackson had an awesome career and developed early. He would've gotten numerous MVP's if it weren't for Ruth and Cobb. However, he put up numbers similar to that of Cobb...maybe even better if I remember correctly.

[Impossible2Refute]

Joe Jackson
1911-1928 Cleveland Indians
1928 Chicago Cubs (traded midseason - 30 at bats)
Hits - 2,746
Triples - 257
Homeruns - 117
Average - .320
OBP - .405
1911(best season) - 214 hits, 49 doubles, 19 triples, 10 homeruns, 110 RBIs, ..354 average, and .441 OBP.
You asked how long it took him to develop....considering his first year was his best year - pretty fast

Never made the postseason
Rookie of the Year
12 time all-star
3 gold gloves
2 time MVP(1911 and 1914)

Amos Rusie
I started in 1903 - Rusie's career ended in 1901 - thus, he's not in the database

Jamie Moyer
1987-1993 Pittsburgh Pirates
1994 Philadelphia Phillies
1995 Cleveland Indians
1996 Philadelphia Athletics

Moyer went 148-106 with a 3.48 ERA.
1991(best season) - 20-6 with a 1.78 ERA in 273 innings pitched
5 time all-star
1 gold glove
In 23 innings of post season pitching he went 1-2 with a 2.73 ERA
Won one pennant with the Cleveland Indians in 1995 - lost series to the Cubs

Nolan Ryan
1969-1974 St. Louis Browns
1974-1979 Cleveland Indians
1981-1982 Philadelphia Athletics
1983-1984 New York Giants
1985 St. Louis Cardinals

From 69 to 76 Ryan was a starting pitcher. Then wasn't a regular starter again until 81 and was also a starter in 82 and 85. It wasn't the career from Nolan Ryan that I would have liked to have seen.

He went 123-152 with a 4.02 ERA. 1,728 K's in 2,459 innings
1969(best season) - 15-10 with a 2.30 ERA in 222 innings.
Rookie of the Year
3 time all-star
Ratings continued to decline throughout career
In 12.1 innings of postseason ball - he went 1-1 with a 7.30 ERA.
Won 3 pennants with Cleveland with championship years bolded (77, 78, 79)

[HFBL]

Being a Mariners fan, I have a couple more:

Ken Griffey Jr.
Edgar Martinez
Mario Mendoza

[ifspuds]

Some of my favorite Dodgers from when I was a kid:

Pedro Guerrero
Ramon Martinez (the pitcher, Pedro's brother)
Mike Scioscia
Steve Garvey

[Impossible2Refute]

Originally Posted by HFBL

Being a Mariners fan, I have a couple more:

Ken Griffey Jr.
Edgar Martinez
Mario Mendoza

Ken Griffey Jr.
1988-2003 Boston Braves (traded to Washington - did not play in 89 or 90)
2003-2006 Washington Nationals (traded to New York)
2006 New York Giants
2007-2009 Detroit Tigers

Hits - 2,663
Homeruns - 510
Average - .296
OBP - .373
1998(best season) - 183 hits, 33 doubles, 43 homeruns, 122 RBIs, .343 AVG, .420 OBP

In 90 postseason at bats he batted .189 with 4 homeruns and 10 RBIs
Won 7 pennants (4 with Braves and 3 with the Senators) and 3 championships(Two with the Braves and 1 with the Senators)
He would have had more postseason at bats, but because of injuries, he missed the 93, 04, and 05 World Series Championships (all of which his team lost)
9 time all-star
4 gold gloves

Edgar Martinez
1989-1990 Washington Senators (Traded to the giants)
1990-1994 New York Giants
1995-2001 Detroit Tigers

Hits - 1,892
Homeruns - 180
Average - .295
OBP - .405
1999(best season) - 175 hits, 44 doubles, 22 homeruns, 101 RBIs, .327 Average, .453 OBP
Martinez really had some awesome seasons - He retired after 12 years and solid ratings 7(contact),6(power),and 9(eye) - could've had some productive years even after he retired
Won 3 pennants and 1 championship (the championship came with the Giants, and lost both Championships with the Tigers)
In 62 postseason at bats he batted .339 with a .481 OBP, 4 homeruns, and 10 RBIs.
He got 7 all-star selections and 1 gold glove

Mario Mendoza
1979 Cincinnat Reds
1982-1983 Cincinnati Reds
1986 Cininnati Reds
Mendoza got brought up and sent back down to the reserve roster quite a bit in this sim.
In 277 career at bats he batted .228 with a .279 obp. He hit 1 homerun and had no postseason at bats.

[lewis31lewis52]

It appears Mendoza hit quite above the Mendoza line.

If you don't mind, how did Brandon Inge do?

[Impossible2Refute]

Originally Posted by ifspuds

Some of my favorite Dodgers from when I was a kid:

Pedro Guerrero
Ramon Martinez (the pitcher, Pedro's brother)
Mike Scioscia
Steve Garvey

Pedro Guerrero
1980-1990 Boston Red Sox
1991-1994 Chicago Cubs
1995-1997 Philadelphia Athletics
1998 Cleveland Indians

Hits - 3,349
Homeruns - 382
Average - .318
OBP - .381
1983(best season) - .358 AVG, .419 OBP, 242 hits, 24 homeruns, 113 RBIs, and 45 doubles
Won 9 pennants and 4 world championships
From 1983 to 1990 he won pennants with the Red Sox
In 1991 he signed the the Cubs and won a pennant there(lost the world series)
In 249 career post season at bats Guerrero hit .313 with a .366 OBP. Hit 8 homeruns and 44 rbis to go with 39 runs.
Rookie of the Year
11 time all-star
6 gold gloves
Awesome career.

Ramon Martinez
1989-2000 New York Giants
2001-2005 Cleveland Indians

Martinez went 188-205 with a 4.88 ERA. He had a below average career but it was enough to hang around for 16 years. He never made the postseason but got 1 all-star selection and 1 gold glove.
1991(best season) - Went 18-14 with a 3.08 ERA

Mike Scioscia
Never made the majors, so there is no stats on him. Those who don't make the majors are deleted, sorry.

Steve Garvey
1971-1977 Brooklyn Dodgers
1978 Detroit Tigers
1979-1982 Cleveland Indians
1983-1984 Boston Red Sox

Hits - 1,472
Homeruns - 137 homeruns
Average - .272
OBP - .305
1973(best season) - .291 average, .324 OBP, 159 hits, 12 homeruns, 79 RBIs
4 pennants and 2 championships (3 with cleveland and 1 with Boston - both the championships with cleveland)
In 66 postseason at bats he hit .167 with 1 homerun and 4 RBIs.
2 time all-star
An okay career - nothing special.

[Impossible2Refute]

Originally Posted by lewis31lewis52

It appears Mendoza hit quite above the Mendoza line.

If you don't mind, how did Brandon Inge do?

Mendoza was actually a career .215 hitter. A solid .245 obp though

Brandon Inge
Inge must have never made the majors because he's not on the database - was another one of those players deleted because he didn't make an mlb roster. Sorry.

[Tekneek]

Dale Murphy? Bob Horner? Phil Niekro?

[Impossible2Refute]

Originally Posted by Tekneek

Dale Murphy? Bob Horner? Phil Niekro?

Dale Murphy
1979 - 1991 St. Louis Cardinals
Had a less than spectacular career. His OBP reached over .300 twice.
Hits - 632
Homeruns - 85
Average - .232
OBP - .279
1982(best season) - 113 hits, 22 homeruns, 70 RBIs, .245 average, .303 OBP in 462 at bats
1 gold glove
Cardinals did not make the post season during his tenure.

Bob Horner
1977-1980 St. Louis Browns

well....the man could hit homeruns
Hits - 316
Homeruns - 52 homeruns (16.5 percent of hits were homeruns)
Average - .221
OBP - .280
1 gold glove


Phil Niekro
1967-1968 Brooklyn Dodgers
1969-1972 St. Louis Browns
1973-1974 Pittsburgh Pirates

Average pitcher in a pitchers league in the 60s and 70s.
He went 70-78 with a 3.75 ERA.
1968(best season) - 12-17 with a 2.68 ERA in 292 innings.
Never made it to the postseason and didn't win any awards.

[Lenon Honor]

Originally Posted by Impossible2Refute

Matt Bush was never imported. Sorry. I don't think anyone is created that has never been called up.

Ah Crap. Well how did Tony Gwynn do?

[JayCobb]

Could I have:

Ted Williams
Carl Yastrzemski
Charlie Gehringer