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Old 09-07-2006, 03:36 PM   #21
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What about these guys:
Dave Winfield
Don Mattingly
Rey Quinones
Dave Kingman

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Dave Winfield

1973-1981 Boston Red Sox
1982 Chicago White Sox
1983-1985 Brooklyn Dodgers
1986-1988 St. Louis Cardinals

Winfield had long stretches as a started only 3 times in his career(1976-1978). He had 911 career hits. .259 average and .317 obp. He reched the playoffs 4 times.
74 and 75 with Boston.
82 with chicago.
83 with brooklyn.
Won it in 75, 82, and 83.

Don Mattingly

1983-1988 Philadelphia Athletics
1989 New York Yankees
1990 Brooklyn Dodgers
1991 Boston Braves Chicago Cubs, Detroit Tigers

680 career hits. Had over 400 at bats 5 of the 6 years he was with Philly. career average of .271. obp of .292.
Made it to the series in 1990 with brooklyn. Played in 1 game and had no at bats. Won the world series that year too.

Rey Quinones

1986-1992 St. Louis Browns
1993-2000 Philadelphia Athletics
2001 Washington Senators

had over 1600 career hits. lifetime average of 265. Won 4 pennants. 86 and 91 with stl(A). 94 and 2000 with Philadelphia. Won both is the Browns. Won series in 2000 with the athletics.

Was a 2 time gold glove winner and 2 times all-star.

Dave Kingman

Well Kingman had somewhat of a dave kingman career. He hit homeruns.

1972-1977 Boston Red Sox
1978 New York Giants

He had a good first couple years..as far as homerun hitting goes. He hit 31, 35, and 44 in consecutive seasons. Then 21, 20, 16, 15, retirement. His lifetime average was .216. obp was .266. He hit 182 homeruns and won 3 pennants with boston. 73, 74, and 75. only winning in 75. He was selected to the all-star team once.
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Old 09-08-2006, 06:12 PM   #22
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Old 09-08-2006, 06:21 PM   #23
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Old 09-08-2006, 08:47 PM   #24
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Honus Wagner
Wagner is one of my favorite players of all time. Recently came out with an autobiography if you're interested.
This is the news of the century. How old is he now 132.
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Old 09-08-2006, 10:18 PM   #25
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This is the news of the century. How old is he now 132.
What it is, is a bunch of newspaper articles that he put together in 1923 and 1924(those years might be a little off). They put em into a book. It is kind of like a diary..but wants to teach people the game. Also, he puts together an all-american team.

It's not bad.

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Old 09-08-2006, 10:43 PM   #26
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Jay Johnstone

Roy White

Andreas Galarraga
Jay Johnston
1966-1977 Boston Red Sox
1978-1980 Philadelphia Phillies
1981-1983 Philadelphia Athletics
1984 New York Giants
1985 Boston Red Sox

Johnstone had a good long career. He had 2,581 hits. Career average of .289 and an obp of .353. That's really good because he was in a pitching era during his prime years.

He won 4 pennants with Boston - 65(didn't have any games during the regular season, but came up in the post season), 73, 74, 75. And won a pennant with the Athletics in 81. World series champ in 65 and 75. he was also an all-star six times in his career. His best year was in 77 when he batted .308 with a .401 obp. He also hit 15 homeruns.

Roy White
1965-1978 St. Louis Cardinals
1978-1979 Boston Red Sox
1980-1981 Pittsburgh Pirates
1981 Boston Red Sox

White's career wasn't as long as Johnstone's...didn't have as many hits. But he had much better peak seasons. He ended with over 1,900 hits, and 217 homeruns. He had a career average of .287 and an obp of .379.

He won 1 pennant with the Cardinals in 1968. They lost to the Tigers in the series that year(hmm). White was a 6 time all-star. 2 time gold glove winner and the 1967 rookie of the year.

Andreas Galarraga
1987 Boston Red Sox
1987-1990 St. Louis Browns
1990-1991 Washington Senators
1992 Cleveland Indians
1993-1994 Chicago Cubs

Galarraga's career is interesting. He has some decent years...hitting homeruns and getting on base. In 1992 he became a free agent and signed a big 4-year contract with the New York Giants. They traded him to the cubs before the season started and he had two okay years and then they sent him down to the minors. He still had decent ratings too. Then he retired in 96. In 7 years he had 186 homeruns. A season high of 37 in 1990. Career average of .284 and obp of .344.

He didn't win any pennants. He was elected to 3 all-star games.

1991 AL MVP w/Washington Senators
98 runs
209 hits
37 doubles
32 homeruns
116 rbis
.321 AVG
.385 OBP
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Old 09-09-2006, 12:24 AM   #27
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How about Ferguson Jenkins, Steve Carlton, Richie Allen and Willie Horton.


Ps, Where can you get the Wagner book?
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Old 09-09-2006, 01:16 PM   #28
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How about Ferguson Jenkins, Steve Carlton, Richie Allen and Willie Horton.


Ps, Where can you get the Wagner book?

Ferguson Jenkins
1965-1977 New York Yankees
1977-1978 Boston Red Sox
1978 Pittsburgh Pirates

Jenkins had an average career. Keep in mind that he started his career before they 3rd patch came out. So pitchers careers were usually shorter. The patch came out near the end of his career.

He had a record of 182-182. Career ERA of 3.51. He won 0 pennants. He was selected to the all-star game 4 times. The most games he ever won in a season was 21...only time he ever reached 21 ones.

Steve Carlton
1966-1974 Chicago Cubs
1975-1982 New York Yankees

Career records for Carlton was 220-222. He had a similar career to Jenkins...slightly longer. Career ERA of 3.45. Struck out 3,017. He won 20 games twice.

Won 4 pennants with the Cubs
69 won series
71 lost series
73 won series
74 won series

All star selection 5 times.

Richie Allen
I'm not finding him in my list of retired players. What I am guessing is he development messed up or he had a career ending injury in the minors. I have players deleted who never reached the majors.

Willie Horton
1964-1966

I'm 1967 his ratings just dropped like crazy, and never recovered. Hit 21 homeruns in 65 though..


ps - I got my Honus Wagner book at Barnes and Noble. I'm guessing you can find it on amazon too.

"Honus Wagner on his life and baseball" by Cobb
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:46 PM   #29
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Richie Allen
I'm not finding him in my list of retired players. What I am guessing is he development messed up or he had a career ending injury in the minors. I have players deleted who never reached the majors.

Try looking him up as Dick Allen (thats how's his listed in the DB, and the name he went by during part of his career)
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ps - I got my Honus Wagner book at Barnes and Noble. I'm guessing you can find it on amazon too.

"Honus Wagner on his life and baseball" by Cobb
http://www.amazon.com/Honus-Wagner-H...e=UTF8&s=books
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Old 10-13-2006, 12:45 AM   #31
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Old 10-13-2006, 11:39 PM   #33
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just used their standard database
You didn't do anything wrong with your sim, it is just the flawed output of OOTP2006.
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Old 10-14-2006, 03:09 PM   #34
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the problem with your statistical output is that you used a databse that was modified.. i believe the arod/garlons db .. was edited aside from just addign negro leaguers..

so this would explain why som eplayers were non existent i your leader board that probably should be.

try using the original lahman's databse... id be interested in your findings

due to the eroneous statistical output.. i never use modified databases... unless you sim hundreds of seasons to test it out... different things will happen (which isnt all bad).

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Old 10-14-2006, 07:07 PM   #35
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thepbl - All of the changes Arod23 and I made for our DB were specifically designed for improved historical simulating with OOTP. In the readme of our DB there are details about the various changes we made and why we made them.

If you use the raw Lahman DB for instance, Sandy Kofax will import as a Middle reliever with low endurance as a rookie because that's how he was used as a rookie in 1955. In our DB he will import as a SP as a rookie because that's how he was primarily used over the course of his career. He will also debut in his first full season (1957) instead of 1955 in our DB. We made many subtle changes like this so that players with small samples of AB or IP do not receive misrepresented ratings as rookies in OOTP.

Another example would be the modifications we made to stolen baes and caught stealing. In the early 1900's caught stealing was nor tracked. So all that OOTP sees in the DB for Ty Cobb in say 1911 is 83 stolen bases and 0 caught stealing...this leads to misrepresented ratings. We went in and changed these things using the best data we could to estimate the missing caught stealing data so that players have more realistic ratings.
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Old 11-18-2006, 10:53 PM   #36
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I did a 1903 - 2006 sim, similar to yours in order to create a history for a solo league I'm going to play. I included all the expansions, franchise shifts and rule changes as well.

My franchise World Series champion tally is this:


13- New York/San Francisco Giants
11- New York Yankees
10- Philadelphia/Oakland Athletics
8 - Detroit Tigers
7 - Boston Red Sox
7 - Brooklyn/LA Dodgers
6 - Boston/Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves
5 - St. Louis Browns/Baltimore Orioles
5 - Kansas City Royals
4 - Cincinnati Reds
4 - St. Louis Cardinals
3 - Chicago Cubs
3 - Chicago White Sox
3 - Cleveland Indians
2 - Houston Astros
2 - Philadelphia Phillies
2 - Montreal Expos
1 - Colorado Rockies
1 - Florida Marlins
1 - Milwaukee Brewers
1 - Minnesota Twins
1 - New York Mets
1 - Pittsburgh Pirates
1 - San Diego Padres
1 - Tampa Bay Devil Rays
1 - Texas Rangers
0 - Los Angeles Angels
0 - Arizona Diamondbacks
0 - Seattle Mariners
0 - Toronto Blue Jays


The strength of the teams was pretty much historically accurate up until free agency came around, when it became an anything goes environment.

The greatest slugger of all time had to be Eddie Matthews of the Bos/Mil/Atl Braves. (1952-1973) He is the all-time leader in Home Runs with 737 as well as a host of other offensive stats. (Ruth was 15th with 538, McGwire 2nd with 660)

Pitching is a tougher call but probably Christy Matthewson with 454 wins was the best. Nolan Ryan frustrated me by retiring in 1989 with 298 wins and 4978 K's. Oh so close to some milestones there!

It's always interesting to see the twists and turns in a players or franchises fortunes in these kinds of sims.
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