Where should I expand the MLB?

megamanmatt · 04-27-2014, 04:21 PM

Basically what the title asks. I'm planning on expanding the MLB by X number of teams and am just looking for suggestions as to how many and which cities.

OmahaReynolds · 04-27-2014, 04:43 PM

You could go one in each league and expand to four divisions of four teams. Portland, Montreal, Brooklyn or Carolina (what's the big metro area there, Charlotte?).

Four divisions gives you an option to abolish interleague play and/or wildcards. Or you can have two wildcards and give the top two seeds byes in the playoffs a la NFL.

Fyrestorm3 · 04-27-2014, 04:48 PM

Portland, Charlotte, and Nashville come to mind. Montreal, Winnipeg, and Vancouver are all good possibilities if you want the MLB to expand into Canada a bit more.

megamanmatt · 04-27-2014, 04:59 PM

I was thinking about maybe putting a team in Mexico too. Put the MLB on the entire continent.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 04-27-2014, 05:13 PM

I usually do Montreal, Portland, Brooklyn, Vancouver, or Monterrey, Mexico.

Fyrestorm3 · 04-27-2014, 05:15 PM

Salt Lake City might be good, too.

hfield007 · 04-27-2014, 05:15 PM

San Antonio
Portland
Vancouver

rworth88 · 04-27-2014, 05:27 PM

Brooklyn, Calgary, Mexico City has almost 10 million people I think could be a good one there.

Poweshow · 04-27-2014, 05:30 PM

megamanmatt · 04-27-2014, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poweshow

Might look better with a ballpark right in the middle.

dave1927p · 04-27-2014, 06:26 PM

Go Canada way, Montreal and Vancouver...although the Canadian dollar is down

ohiodevil · 04-27-2014, 06:35 PM

I usually do a team in Charlotte (call them Carolina) and either Las Vegas or bring back the Expos in Montreal. I also have thought to put a team in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

jwinn66 · 04-27-2014, 06:39 PM

Maybe Buffalo? Yes I'm still bitter about Miami getting our team in the early 90s. They can't even fill a stadium.

Le Grande Orange · 04-27-2014, 06:43 PM

Here's a copy of a post I made back for OOTP 13. Hope you find it helpful.

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Looking to expand your MLB league or shift some existing franchise to new locales? Want some ideas on potential candidate cities? Then read on.

Below is a list of U.S. metropolitan statistical areas and a 2010 market size rating. This value isn't just based on population; rather, it also factors in per capita income. It represents the total amount of income earned within that metropolitan area, and thus the potential pool of money a real-life baseball club would have to draw from. The ratings are scaled such that a value of 100 equals the smallest major league market in that year. The source data comes from the BEA estimates for 2010 and use the most recent metropolitan statistical area definitions.

Note that this market size rating does not take into account the nearness of other major league cities, the relative popularity of baseball within that area, or other similar factors. It's strictly a simple economic rating of the pool of money in that area from which a club could earn its revenue.

Here are the 25 metropolitan statistical areas that are home to the 29 U.S.-based major league clubs:

Code:

                                                     2010
Metropolitan Statistical Area                       Market
                                                     Size
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New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA   1542
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA                  841
Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI                   630
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV          482
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD           422
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX                       396
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX                        394
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA                     386
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH                        379
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL               349
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA                    304
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA                           254
Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI                            246
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI               231
Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ                             227
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA                     212
Baltimore-Towson, MD                                  200
Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO                          179
St. Louis, MO-IL                                      175
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL                   155
Pittsburgh, PA                                        151
Kansas City, MO-KS                                    127
Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN                       127
Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH                           126
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI                     100

Below are the 12 metropolitan statistical areas in 2010 that had a market size rating of 100 or greater but which are not home to a major league baseball club.

Code:

                                                     2010
Metropolitan Statistical Area                       Market
                                                     Size
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Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA                  187
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA                    158
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA                   133
Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA                 129
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX                         113
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL                         110
Columbus, OH                                          105
Las Vegas-Paradise, NV                                105
Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC                   103
Indianapolis-Carmel, IN                               102
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC            101
Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX                      100

Lastly, here are the 10 metropolitan statistical areas that had a market rating immediately below 100 in 2010.

Code:

                                                     2010
Metropolitan Statistical Area                       Market
                                                     Size
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Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA              100*
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT                        99
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN           96
Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT               92
Jacksonville, FL                                       80
Richmond, VA                                           78
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA                        75
Memphis, TN-MS-AR                                      74
Louisville-Jefferson County, KY-IN                     71
Oklahoma City, OK                                      71

*Actual value 99.6, rounded to 100 for display

megamanmatt · 04-27-2014, 06:46 PM

So, i've decided on a 6 team expansion, one team in each division

AL East: San Juan, PR
AL Central: Mexico City, Mexico
AL West: Las Vegas, NV

NL East: Charlotte, NC
NL Central: Nashville, TN
NL West: Vancouver, BC

Now..... that being said I come to the issue of Tampa Bay and Oakland. Should one move? Both? Or should they get new stadiums in their current locals? If they should move any suggestions on location shift?

megamanmatt · 04-27-2014, 06:47 PM

Thanks LGO. As usual you come with the data.

jwinn66 · 04-27-2014, 06:51 PM

Oakland back to Philly Send the rays to either Brooklyn or Buffalo.

rworth88 · 04-27-2014, 06:51 PM

I moved TBay to Brooklyn and kept them in AL east to rival with the Yanks.

Padreman · 04-27-2014, 06:58 PM

San Juan Purto Rico
Santo Domingo, DR
Mexico City Mexico
Havana, Cuba
Tokoyo, Japan
Caracas, Venezuela

Truly international

Le Grande Orange · 04-27-2014, 07:03 PM

A note about San Juan, PR: while the metropolitan statistical area has a large population (about 2.5 million) its per capita income is rather low compared to U.S. areas. If I recall correctly, in the market rating system I am using, the San Juan area would have a rating of just 62.

Someone mentioned Buffalo earlier. It has slipped in position over the years. In 1969 it would have been rated a 94, the closest it got to the major league minimum of 100 over the 1969-2010 time period. By 2010 its rating was 65.

04-27-2014, 04:21 PM	#1
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	Where should I expand the MLB? Basically what the title asks. I'm planning on expanding the MLB by X number of teams and am just looking for suggestions as to how many and which cities. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

04-27-2014, 04:59 PM	#4
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	I was thinking about maybe putting a team in Mexico too. Put the MLB on the entire continent. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

04-27-2014, 05:13 PM	#5
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,119	I usually do Montreal, Portland, Brooklyn, Vancouver, or Monterrey, Mexico. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

04-27-2014, 05:30 PM	#9
Poweshow Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 243 Infractions: 0/3 (3)	Last edited by Poweshow; 04-27-2014 at 05:32 PM.

04-27-2014, 06:26 PM	#11
dave1927p FHM Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Brantford, ON Posts: 2,888	Go Canada way, Montreal and Vancouver...although the Canadian dollar is down __________________ IN 1964 THE LEAFS WON THE STANLEY CUP :: IT'S ALSO THE YEAR THE CANADIAN FLAG WAS DESIGNED...coincidence?

04-27-2014, 04:43 PM	#2
OmahaReynolds All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New York Posts: 653	You could go one in each league and expand to four divisions of four teams. Portland, Montreal, Brooklyn or Carolina (what's the big metro area there, Charlotte?). Four divisions gives you an option to abolish interleague play and/or wildcards. Or you can have two wildcards and give the top two seeds byes in the playoffs a la NFL.

04-27-2014, 04:48 PM	#3
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	Portland, Charlotte, and Nashville come to mind. Montreal, Winnipeg, and Vancouver are all good possibilities if you want the MLB to expand into Canada a bit more.

04-27-2014, 05:15 PM	#6
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	Salt Lake City might be good, too.

04-27-2014, 05:15 PM	#7
hfield007 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,651	San Antonio Portland Vancouver

04-27-2014, 05:27 PM	#8
rworth88 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 167	Brooklyn, Calgary, Mexico City has almost 10 million people I think could be a good one there.

04-27-2014, 06:35 PM	#12
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,392	I usually do a team in Charlotte (call them Carolina) and either Las Vegas or bring back the Expos in Montreal. I also have thought to put a team in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

04-27-2014, 06:39 PM	#13
jwinn66 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 159	Maybe Buffalo? Yes I'm still bitter about Miami getting our team in the early 90s. They can't even fill a stadium.

04-27-2014, 06:46 PM	#15
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	So, i've decided on a 6 team expansion, one team in each division AL East: San Juan, PR AL Central: Mexico City, Mexico AL West: Las Vegas, NV NL East: Charlotte, NC NL Central: Nashville, TN NL West: Vancouver, BC Now..... that being said I come to the issue of Tampa Bay and Oakland. Should one move? Both? Or should they get new stadiums in their current locals? If they should move any suggestions on location shift? __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

04-27-2014, 06:47 PM	#16
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	Thanks LGO. As usual you come with the data. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

04-27-2014, 06:51 PM	#17
jwinn66 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 159	Oakland back to Philly Send the rays to either Brooklyn or Buffalo.

04-27-2014, 06:58 PM	#19
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,140 Blog Entries: 1	San Juan Purto Rico Santo Domingo, DR Mexico City Mexico Havana, Cuba Tokoyo, Japan Caracas, Venezuela Truly international __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

04-27-2014, 07:03 PM	#20
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,413	A note about San Juan, PR: while the metropolitan statistical area has a large population (about 2.5 million) its per capita income is rather low compared to U.S. areas. If I recall correctly, in the market rating system I am using, the San Juan area would have a rating of just 62. Someone mentioned Buffalo earlier. It has slipped in position over the years. In 1969 it would have been rated a 94, the closest it got to the major league minimum of 100 over the 1969-2010 time period. By 2010 its rating was 65.