Sim speed question....

scootermojo · 09-29-2015, 04:55 PM

Is there anyway to disable other leagues in the game so that it doesn't get bogged down when simming? It's not my computer....just dropped 2k on a new one a month ago so it's lightning fast....and I simmed an NHL replay from 1931 to 1998 in the time it took me to paint my front door last night (20 minutes). The reason I'm asking is because I'd like to sim the real world NHL as it stands now (the upcoming 2015-16 season) onward....but as much as I dig this game it just seems kinda absurdly slow since we're forced to have all the other leagues going on, too, regardless if they are playable or not.

If not, can this at least be an option for future versions like how in OOTP you can select MLB alone, MLB plus minor leagues, MLB, minor leagues and other leagues throughout the world, etc? Would be nice if I can just run the NHL, the AHL and junior leagues and just let the AI randomly spawn players from across globe without having to have actual leagues from other countries.

Anyway, still dig the game....great improvement upon the original release!!!!!

Sebastian Palkowski · 09-29-2015, 05:43 PM

You did a historical sim from 1931 to 1998 (67 years) in 20 minutes and complain about speed? With all due respect but that is insane.

On my new computer (which is pretty fast as well with 4*3.6 GHz, 8GB RAM and a SSD hard-drive) a modern game with all 21 playable leagues enabled simulates the year in about 35-40 minutes. To be honest, I think that is a very good value when accounting for how much stuff (not only the few thousand games but also all the moves, trades, ...) the game has to calculate. When I set all leagues to non-playable and play only with NHL and AHL it takes under 30 minutes for the year.

Of course we will always try to improve the speed of the game but something like a "speed-sim with less detail" option will never happen, as I don't like to have two different modes with different results.

Hope you still enjoy the game of course!

scootermojo · 09-29-2015, 05:57 PM

The historical replay sim speed was excellent....that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about starting off with the NHL of 2015-16.....unfortunately we are all forced to have the other 21 leagues involved, too. That's basically what I'm asking...is there anyway to turn off the other leagues? From my standpoint, I'm really only concerned about the NHL, AHL and junior leagues. I'm not griping, mind you...I love the game....just would be nice to have options say like how OOTP lets you play with any combination of 1-20 or however many total leagues they have. That way for someone like me who only really cares about leagues I stated above (I can't imagine I'm the only one) you can have 1, 2, 3 or 4 leagues (or whatever one desires) and the AI just randomly generates players from other phantom leagues so as not to bog down sim speeds. (FYI: I love being able to sim 10-20 years/night if I desire so).

Perhaps selecting leagues in the future so as to limit the amount of leagues one can use and being able to increase sim speed is an option for future versions then?

As I said before, great job on this game, though. Aside from what I'm saying here about overall sim speed I love the game and really think you guys did a TREMENDOUS job on this version.

Cole · 09-29-2015, 06:30 PM

I just want to state the obvious here, just in case.. But you are deselecting all the leagues EXCEPT the ones you want playable, before you start, right? That does have a noted impact on simulation speed if you keep on only the NHL/AHL and whatever junior ones you want.

scootermojo · 09-29-2015, 07:57 PM

Yeah, I only selected the NHL and AHL, actually. But the sim speed was as slow as if I had every single playable league on OOTP including minor leagues (I believe that is WAY over 20). The other leagues, though unplayable, are still simming in the background.....so wouldn't that be the issue causing the slower speed? I would think with only 2 leagues selected I should be able to breeze through a season in a minute or so.....not 30 minutes like it seems. When I get a chance later I'll sim and time it to give an exact number.

Cole · 09-29-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by scootermojo

Yeah, I only selected the NHL and AHL, actually. But the sim speed was as slow as if I had every single playable league on OOTP including minor leagues (I believe that is WAY over 20). The other leagues, though unplayable, are still simming in the background.....so wouldn't that be the issue causing the slower speed? I would think with only 2 leagues selected I should be able to breeze through a season in a minute or so.....not 30 minutes like it seems. When I get a chance later I'll sim and time it to give an exact number.

FHM 2 and OOTP are different games and you're right, they do have different simulation speeds. I'm not a programmer, but I would imagine there's technical reasons for that and I also imagine as we progress in future patches and versions with FHM 2, the sim speed will increase, just as it did with OOTP. (Things didn't move quite so quickly in previous versions of OOTP as they do in OOTP 16, for example).

Sebastian Palkowski · 09-29-2015, 08:14 PM

One difference is the volume of leagues, teams and players we have compared to OOTP. The FHM world is much bigger, so everything takes a bit longer. But as I said, we always look for bottlenecks and try to make the game faster.

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Originally Posted by Cole

FHM 2 and OOTP are different games and you're right, they do have different simulation speeds. I'm not a programmer, but I would imagine there's technical reasons for that and I also imagine as we progress in future patches and versions with FHM 2, the sim speed will increase, just as it did with OOTP. (Things didn't move quite so quickly in previous versions of OOTP as they do in OOTP 16, for example).

scootermojo · 09-29-2015, 08:39 PM

I'm well aware that OOTP and FHM2 are two different games....I'm just using OOTP as an example of the ability to have options and as a frame of reference to sim speed (it seems here that taking 30 minutes to sim a season is completely normal....yet with using one or two leagues it should and can take minutes if not less; it also seems to it should somehow be completely acceptable to be forced to have 19-20 other leagues playing in the background bogging down sim speed when a user may only be interested in only one league....again, that's why and only why I'm referencing OOTP). So, that being said, is it possible for future versions of FHM to have the ability to completely shut off leagues that we may not desire to have simming in the background on top of whatever leagues we choose to play if for not the sake of customization but also sim speed?

dave1927p · 09-29-2015, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by scootermojo

I'm well aware that OOTP and FHM2 are two different games....I'm just using OOTP as an example of the ability to have options and as a frame of reference to sim speed (it seems here that taking 30 minutes to sim a season is completely normal....yet with using one or two leagues it should and can take minutes if not less; it also seems to it should somehow be completely acceptable to be forced to have 19-20 other leagues playing in the background bogging down sim speed when a user may only be interested in only one league....again, that's why and only why I'm referencing OOTP). So, that being said, is it possible for future versions of FHM to have the ability to completely shut off leagues that we may not desire to have simming in the background on top of whatever leagues we choose to play if for not the sake of customization but also sim speed?

I would think the option to disable/delete various leagues would be a huge undertaking. Hopefully we can see a quickstart one day for Modern NHL with the AHL and full Major Junior only. That way it will be significantly faster.

OOTP's fictional modes runs fast due to a smaller amount of leagues. I've played modern with all leagues enabled with low detail in OOTP and even it gets really slow. FHM 2 modern day sim speed is comparable to EHM if not alittle quicker.

scootermojo · 09-29-2015, 09:07 PM

I totally get what they are doing by trying to get the entire world of hockey into the game....and that's fine, cool and all. But just browsing through some of the leagues that sim in the background and take up space: leagues from England, Asia, Australia, etc. I mean, for someone such as myself who is more interested in the outcome of an NHL sim and the results those types of lower leagues are utterly irrelevant especially considering that maybe 1 out of a thousand players from those leagues might even ever make it to the NHL in real life.

The immersion aspect of it is utterly fantastic....and I'll play it, too. But sometimes it's nice whenever you just wanna sim 30-40 years in a night or over a weekend or whatever just to see how things turn out.

Again, what I'm saying is not a knock on this game....I love it....but I do hope for future versions it's possible to have the option to completely knock off leagues that perhaps some of us are not even the least bit concerned about. I can't see how that wouldn't be possible and I can't see how that wouldn't be a win-win for everyone.

scootermojo · 09-29-2015, 09:12 PM

Anyway, just completed a one season sim of the 2015-16 season with only the NHL and AHL selected: 10 minutes flat. Not bad.....but preferably faster. That damn hotbed of hockey in the Southeastern Pacific really screws up my mojo

09-29-2015, 04:55 PM	#1
scootermojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 125	Sim speed question.... Is there anyway to disable other leagues in the game so that it doesn't get bogged down when simming? It's not my computer....just dropped 2k on a new one a month ago so it's lightning fast....and I simmed an NHL replay from 1931 to 1998 in the time it took me to paint my front door last night (20 minutes). The reason I'm asking is because I'd like to sim the real world NHL as it stands now (the upcoming 2015-16 season) onward....but as much as I dig this game it just seems kinda absurdly slow since we're forced to have all the other leagues going on, too, regardless if they are playable or not. If not, can this at least be an option for future versions like how in OOTP you can select MLB alone, MLB plus minor leagues, MLB, minor leagues and other leagues throughout the world, etc? Would be nice if I can just run the NHL, the AHL and junior leagues and just let the AI randomly spawn players from across globe without having to have actual leagues from other countries. Anyway, still dig the game....great improvement upon the original release!!!!!

09-29-2015, 05:43 PM	#2
Sebastian Palkowski Developer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 5,119	You did a historical sim from 1931 to 1998 (67 years) in 20 minutes and complain about speed? With all due respect but that is insane. On my new computer (which is pretty fast as well with 43.6 GHz, 8GB RAM and a SSD hard-drive) a modern game with all 21 playable leagues enabled simulates the year in about 35-40 minutes. To be honest, I think that is a very good value when accounting for how much stuff (not only the few thousand games but also all the moves, trades, ...) the game has to calculate. When I set all leagues to non-playable and play only with NHL and AHL it takes under 30 minutes for the year. Of course we will always try to improve the speed of the game but something like a "speed-sim with less detail" option will never happen, as I don't like to have two different modes with different results. Hope you still enjoy the game of course! __________________ Buy Franchise Hockey Manager 10*

09-29-2015, 05:57 PM	#3
scootermojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 125	The historical replay sim speed was excellent....that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about starting off with the NHL of 2015-16.....unfortunately we are all forced to have the other 21 leagues involved, too. That's basically what I'm asking...is there anyway to turn off the other leagues? From my standpoint, I'm really only concerned about the NHL, AHL and junior leagues. I'm not griping, mind you...I love the game....just would be nice to have options say like how OOTP lets you play with any combination of 1-20 or however many total leagues they have. That way for someone like me who only really cares about leagues I stated above (I can't imagine I'm the only one) you can have 1, 2, 3 or 4 leagues (or whatever one desires) and the AI just randomly generates players from other phantom leagues so as not to bog down sim speeds. (FYI: I love being able to sim 10-20 years/night if I desire so). Perhaps selecting leagues in the future so as to limit the amount of leagues one can use and being able to increase sim speed is an option for future versions then? As I said before, great job on this game, though. Aside from what I'm saying here about overall sim speed I love the game and really think you guys did a TREMENDOUS job on this version.

09-29-2015, 06:30 PM	#4
Cole Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick Posts: 2,685	I just want to state the obvious here, just in case.. But you are deselecting all the leagues EXCEPT the ones you want playable, before you start, right? That does have a noted impact on simulation speed if you keep on only the NHL/AHL and whatever junior ones you want.

09-29-2015, 07:57 PM	#5
scootermojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 125	Yeah, I only selected the NHL and AHL, actually. But the sim speed was as slow as if I had every single playable league on OOTP including minor leagues (I believe that is WAY over 20). The other leagues, though unplayable, are still simming in the background.....so wouldn't that be the issue causing the slower speed? I would think with only 2 leagues selected I should be able to breeze through a season in a minute or so.....not 30 minutes like it seems. When I get a chance later I'll sim and time it to give an exact number.

09-29-2015, 08:39 PM	#8
scootermojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 125	I'm well aware that OOTP and FHM2 are two different games....I'm just using OOTP as an example of the ability to have options and as a frame of reference to sim speed (it seems here that taking 30 minutes to sim a season is completely normal....yet with using one or two leagues it should and can take minutes if not less; it also seems to it should somehow be completely acceptable to be forced to have 19-20 other leagues playing in the background bogging down sim speed when a user may only be interested in only one league....again, that's why and only why I'm referencing OOTP). So, that being said, is it possible for future versions of FHM to have the ability to completely shut off leagues that we may not desire to have simming in the background on top of whatever leagues we choose to play if for not the sake of customization but also sim speed?

09-29-2015, 09:07 PM	#10
scootermojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 125	I totally get what they are doing by trying to get the entire world of hockey into the game....and that's fine, cool and all. But just browsing through some of the leagues that sim in the background and take up space: leagues from England, Asia, Australia, etc. I mean, for someone such as myself who is more interested in the outcome of an NHL sim and the results those types of lower leagues are utterly irrelevant especially considering that maybe 1 out of a thousand players from those leagues might even ever make it to the NHL in real life. The immersion aspect of it is utterly fantastic....and I'll play it, too. But sometimes it's nice whenever you just wanna sim 30-40 years in a night or over a weekend or whatever just to see how things turn out. Again, what I'm saying is not a knock on this game....I love it....but I do hope for future versions it's possible to have the option to completely knock off leagues that perhaps some of us are not even the least bit concerned about. I can't see how that wouldn't be possible and I can't see how that wouldn't be a win-win for everyone.

09-29-2015, 09:12 PM	#11
scootermojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 125	Anyway, just completed a one season sim of the 2015-16 season with only the NHL and AHL selected: 10 minutes flat. Not bad.....but preferably faster. That damn hotbed of hockey in the Southeastern Pacific really screws up my mojo