Countdown to Release OOTP 18 - Page 9

actionjackson · 02-11-2017, 01:09 AM

He played for nine different organizations, some of them more than once. Yeah, he dissed us in his book, but we love him anyway. Interesting factoid - this dude has a better ERA+ than Jack Morris. Just sayin'. The one, the only - David "Boomer" Wells #36

Caporegime · 02-11-2017, 02:06 AM

Sometimes, particular numbers have been worn by so many good players over the years for a team that it's tough to decide who to honor. In the case of #36, it was easy.

David Cone.

rjl518 · 02-11-2017, 09:19 AM

36 Days Left

He's not a HOFamer, but if there was a Hall of Very Very Good, he would be one of the first to be in there.
He would have had much better stats if he wasn't on the lousy Mets teams of the 70s.

Jerry Koosman

actionjackson · 02-11-2017, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Caporegime

Sometimes, particular numbers have been worn by so many good players over the years for a team that it's tough to decide who to honor. In the case of #36, it was easy.

David Cone.

50th all-time amongst pitchers in bWAR, 40th all-time amongst pitchers in WAA. The win total doesn't suggest it, but this dude's a HoFer in my mind, and he should go in with a Yankee cap.

Airdrop01 · 02-11-2017, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

He played for nine different organizations, some of them more than once. Yeah, he dissed us in his book, but we love him anyway. Interesting factoid - this dude has a better ERA+ than Jack Morris. Just sayin'. The one, the only - David "Boomer" Wells #36

And he threw a perfect game half drunk! Awesome!

actionjackson · 02-12-2017, 12:08 AM

Many, many great #35s throughout MLB history. This guy wore it the longest, and wore it extremely well. Phil "Knucksie" Niekro #35

Caporegime · 02-12-2017, 12:11 AM

Magic number is 35.

He may not have been inducted this year, but in my mind, Mike Mussina is a HOFer. Maybe next year.

actionjackson · 02-12-2017, 12:17 AM

Slim pickins for #35 in Blue Jays history. This guy's the best of the bunch. He was a 1B, but never a slugger. He hit 20 HR twice in his time in Toronto and never drove in 100, but he was quite adept at getting on base and was considered an above average defender at 1B. Lyle Overbay #35

actionjackson · 02-12-2017, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Caporegime

Magic number is 35.

He may not have been inducted this year, but in my mind, Mike Mussina is a HOFer. Maybe next year.

Definitely a HoFer. There will be a tug of war over the cap though. I think it should be Baltimore, but others may differ and it's close so it's worthy of a discussion IMHO.

actionjackson · 02-12-2017, 12:23 AM

Was trying to figure out which one you'd go with Caporegime, so I wouldn't upstage you. I figured you'd want Mussina due to tenure + effectiveness during his tenure, which left "Knucksie" open for me. There was also John Wetteland from a champioship team of course, but the Moose is a very good choice indeed.

actionjackson · 02-12-2017, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by actionjackson

50th all-time amongst pitchers in bWAR, 40th all-time amongst pitchers in WAA. The win total doesn't suggest it, but this dude's a HoFer in my mind, and he should go in with a Yankee cap.

Should clarify my thoughts on Cone. If he were to get in (and I don't think he will), it would be a 3-way fight for the cap. I think it should be the Yankees, but the Mets and Royals also have legit cases.

Caporegime · 02-12-2017, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Was trying to figure out which one you'd go with Caporegime, so I wouldn't upstage you. I figured you'd want Mussina due to tenure + effectiveness during his tenure, which left "Knucksie" open for me. There was also John Wetteland from a champioship team of course, but the Moose is a very good choice indeed.

Thanks for not upstaging me. If I had an agent, I'm sure he'd be grateful.

The only other player I considered posting was John Wetteland. He was only in pinstripes for a couple of years but his stay in the Bronx was memorable. Ralph Houk also was a possibility but he was a pinch before my time and, despite having a long career with the Yanks as a backup catcher to Yogi Berra and winning two WS titles his first three years as Yankee manager, the Major is best remembered for being the Yankees manager during their "lean years" between 1966-73.

rjl518 · 02-12-2017, 02:03 AM

35 Days Left

Rick Reed

He won the only game for the Mets in the 2000 World Series against the Yankees.

Caporegime · 02-12-2017, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Definitely a HoFer. There will be a tug of war over the cap though. I think it should be Baltimore, but others may differ and it's close so it's worthy of a discussion IMHO.

Obviously I'm biased, but I think one could make the better argument for him going in as a Yankee.

A) He pitched for the Yanks almost as long as he did for the Birds, so it's not as if he was a fly-by-nighter.

B) He pitched in his only WS as a Yankee.

C) He enjoyed his only 20-win season with the Yankees, an achievement that was very important to him and he seemed to take great pride in when it happened. In fact, the day he won his 20th was probably the only time I think I ever saw Moose display any emotion whatsoever in his eight years with the Yanks.

Mussina is an inordinately intelligent, savvy guy. Going in as a Yankee would simply be the smarter move in terms of his baseball legacy. Then again, like I stated above, I'm biased.

Germaniac · 02-12-2017, 03:01 AM

Mike Cuellar

Airdrop01 · 02-12-2017, 09:20 AM

I have been waiting for this one. Sorry Westheim.

The looks and expressions on the fans faces are the best. So human and cool.

actionjackson · 02-12-2017, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Germaniac

Mike Cuellar

Nice one Germaniac.

actionjackson · 02-12-2017, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rjl518

35 Days Left

Rick Reed

He won the only game for the Mets in the 2000 World Series against the Yankees.

I remember my Strat cards not being allowed to show the names of the guys who were replacement players in 1995. I guess the union wouldn't sign off on it or something. Rick Reed was one of the more prominent ones among this group and I would imagine he paid quite dearly for it. Will Clark, for example has never forgiven any of them including Kevin Millar.

Airdrop01 · 02-12-2017, 11:14 AM

Re: Mussina and Cone.....

I'm not sure either of them is HOF material though Mussina is pretty close to sure thing probably, I always go by what uniform I most associate them with during their career.

For Mussina it's Baltimore and for Cone, who I'd be shocked and disappointed if he got in, it's either Yankees or Royals.

Raidergoo · 02-12-2017, 11:50 AM

Ricky Henderson...think he makes it?

02-11-2017, 01:09 AM	#161
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,123	He played for nine different organizations, some of them more than once. Yeah, he dissed us in his book, but we love him anyway. Interesting factoid - this dude has a better ERA+ than Jack Morris. Just sayin'. The one, the only - David "Boomer" Wells #36 Attached Images Last edited by actionjackson; 02-11-2017 at 01:13 AM.

02-11-2017, 02:06 AM	#162
Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,714	Sometimes, particular numbers have been worn by so many good players over the years for a team that it's tough to decide who to honor. In the case of #36, it was easy. David Cone. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra Last edited by Caporegime; 02-11-2017 at 02:07 AM.

02-11-2017, 09:19 AM	#163
rjl518 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Born in Shea Stadium, lives in LoanDepot Park. Posts: 6,240	36 Days Left He's not a HOFamer, but if there was a Hall of Very Very Good, he would be one of the first to be in there. He would have had much better stats if he wasn't on the lousy Mets teams of the 70s. Jerry Koosman Attached Images __________________ My Threads: MLB Project 32 by SFGiants58 "Colon looking for his 1st hit of the year and he DRIVES ONE! Deep left field! Back goes Upton! Back near the wall! ITS OUTTA HERE!!! Bartolo has done it!!! THE IMPOSSIBLE HAS HAPPENED!!! This is one of the great moments in the history of baseball! Bartolo Colon has gone deep!" ---Gary Cohen. (May 7, 2016) (Petco Park) NYM 6 @ SD 3

02-12-2017, 12:08 AM	#166
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,123	Many, many great #35s throughout MLB history. This guy wore it the longest, and wore it extremely well. Phil "Knucksie" Niekro #35 Attached Images

02-12-2017, 12:11 AM	#167
Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,714	Magic number is 35. He may not have been inducted this year, but in my mind, Mike Mussina is a HOFer. Maybe next year. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra

02-12-2017, 12:17 AM	#168
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,123	Slim pickins for #35 in Blue Jays history. This guy's the best of the bunch. He was a 1B, but never a slugger. He hit 20 HR twice in his time in Toronto and never drove in 100, but he was quite adept at getting on base and was considered an above average defender at 1B. Lyle Overbay #35 Attached Images

02-12-2017, 12:23 AM	#170
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,123	Was trying to figure out which one you'd go with Caporegime, so I wouldn't upstage you. I figured you'd want Mussina due to tenure + effectiveness during his tenure, which left "Knucksie" open for me. There was also John Wetteland from a champioship team of course, but the Moose is a very good choice indeed.

02-12-2017, 02:03 AM	#173
rjl518 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Born in Shea Stadium, lives in LoanDepot Park. Posts: 6,240	35 Days Left Rick Reed He won the only game for the Mets in the 2000 World Series against the Yankees. Attached Images __________________ My Threads: MLB Project 32 by SFGiants58 "Colon looking for his 1st hit of the year and he DRIVES ONE! Deep left field! Back goes Upton! Back near the wall! ITS OUTTA HERE!!! Bartolo has done it!!! THE IMPOSSIBLE HAS HAPPENED!!! This is one of the great moments in the history of baseball! Bartolo Colon has gone deep!" ---Gary Cohen. (May 7, 2016) (Petco Park) NYM 6 @ SD 3

02-12-2017, 03:01 AM	#175
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 2,993	Mike Cuellar __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

02-12-2017, 09:20 AM	#176
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	I have been waiting for this one. Sorry Westheim. The looks and expressions on the fans faces are the best. So human and cool. Attached Images

02-12-2017, 11:14 AM	#179
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Re: Mussina and Cone..... I'm not sure either of them is HOF material though Mussina is pretty close to sure thing probably, I always go by what uniform I most associate them with during their career. For Mussina it's Baltimore and for Cone, who I'd be shocked and disappointed if he got in, it's either Yankees or Royals.

02-12-2017, 11:50 AM	#180
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,004	Ricky Henderson...think he makes it? Attached Images