An interesting historical scenario

oriole^ · 04-29-2019, 03:59 PM

I don't have any idea how exactly this could be done, but if I happen to gain copious amounts of free time in the near future, I might try it: instead of expansion team-by-team, MLB expands by gaining two extra subleagues - a possibility at two different points during its history:

The Pacific Coast League becomes a full major league (1951). MLB gains Oakland Oaks, Seattle Rainiers, Portland Beavers, San Francisco Seals, Hollywood Stars, Los Angeles Angels, San Diego Padres, and Sacramento Solons

The Continental League, championed by William Shea and Branch Rickey, becomes a reality (1958). MLB gains the New York Mets, Buffalo Bisons, Toronto Maple Leafs, Minnesota Twins, Denver Zephyrs, Texas Rangers, Houston Colt .45s, and Atlanta Crackers. (Names speculative. Also speculating that this league would form after the PCL joined - one of the main drivers for the Continental was giving New York a second team after losing the Giants and Dodgers to the West Coast, which obviously wouldn't have happened if the above '51 scenario took place. The Mets could have appeared in a different market with Jack Kent Cooke leading the way from Toronto as the biggest owner/proponent of the league.)

That gives you a 32 team league with 4 subleagues starting in 1958. I'm not immediately certain how to operate 4 subleagues in OOTP.

Anyway, just an interesting idea to throw out there...

Mariner and Giants Fan · 05-01-2019, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by oriole^

I don't have any idea how exactly this could be done, but if I happen to gain copious amounts of free time in the near future, I might try it: instead of expansion team-by-team, MLB expands by gaining two extra subleagues - a possibility at two different points during its history:

The Pacific Coast League becomes a full major league (1951). MLB gains Oakland Oaks, Seattle Rainiers, Portland Beavers, San Francisco Seals, Hollywood Stars, Los Angeles Angels, San Diego Padres, and Sacramento Solons

The Continental League, championed by William Shea and Branch Rickey, becomes a reality (1958). MLB gains the New York Mets, Buffalo Bisons, Toronto Maple Leafs, Minnesota Twins, Denver Zephyrs, Texas Rangers, Houston Colt .45s, and Atlanta Crackers. (Names speculative. Also speculating that this league would form after the PCL joined - one of the main drivers for the Continental was giving New York a second team after losing the Giants and Dodgers to the West Coast, which obviously wouldn't have happened if the above '51 scenario took place. The Mets could have appeared in a different market with Jack Kent Cooke leading the way from Toronto as the biggest owner/proponent of the league.)

That gives you a 32 team league with 4 subleagues starting in 1958. I'm not immediately certain how to operate 4 subleagues in OOTP.

Anyway, just an interesting idea to throw out there...

Atlanta Crackers would go really well with todays PC crowd

oriole^ · 05-01-2019, 05:25 PM

True that...but they were the Crackers for about 50 years prior to 1966, and the Braves as a name is not without its complications.

You want to really confuse people: the Negro League team in Atlanta was the Black Crackers.

Reed · 05-01-2019, 05:51 PM

Several years ago I was in an online league and since I live in Georgia and wanted a historical named, I named my team the Atlanta Crackers but a couple people complain. I renamed my team the Atlanta Braves and that was fine with them. Strange.

JaBurns · 05-01-2019, 06:15 PM

Like the idea of 4 leagues with the winners playoff for the World Series. Please tell me no interleague or DH. Good luck.

oriole^ · 05-02-2019, 01:49 AM

I think you'd have to go for a rotating style of playoffs rather than a seeding, particularly if there was no interleague play:

2019 Playoffs: AL vs. NL, PCL vs. CL
2020 Playoffs: AL vs. PCL, NL vs. CL
2021 Playoffs: NL vs. PCL, AL vs. CL
...and so forth.

Again...not sure how that could be entered automagically. You would probably have to fix the playoff bracket before every season.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 05-09-2019, 11:51 AM

I'd go with the Federal League and then the Continental League, if I could, in such a scenario. The Federal League would consist mostly of teams east of the Mississippi, and the Continental League mostly of teams west of it, while the classic teams would not move out of their traditional locations needlessly. Just my thoughts here, that's all. CD out.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 08-10-2019, 02:43 PM

Any progress on this? Just wondering, that's all. CD out.

splat58 · 10-31-2019, 09:54 AM

Just saw this. Interesting idea. Could you expand with the Negro League before expanding with the PCL?

cavebutter · 10-31-2019, 11:24 AM

To my understanding, sub-leagues are capped at two. Might be the best way is each league is its own division - with a custom schedule to avoid inter-division play.
History might be a problem, as you wouldn't be able to do divisional awards.

Maybe an association with each league standing alone would work.

04-29-2019, 03:59 PM	#1
oriole^ Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 123	An interesting historical scenario I don't have any idea how exactly this could be done, but if I happen to gain copious amounts of free time in the near future, I might try it: instead of expansion team-by-team, MLB expands by gaining two extra subleagues - a possibility at two different points during its history: The Pacific Coast League becomes a full major league (1951). MLB gains Oakland Oaks, Seattle Rainiers, Portland Beavers, San Francisco Seals, Hollywood Stars, Los Angeles Angels, San Diego Padres, and Sacramento Solons The Continental League, championed by William Shea and Branch Rickey, becomes a reality (1958). MLB gains the New York Mets, Buffalo Bisons, Toronto Maple Leafs, Minnesota Twins, Denver Zephyrs, Texas Rangers, Houston Colt .45s, and Atlanta Crackers. (Names speculative. Also speculating that this league would form after the PCL joined - one of the main drivers for the Continental was giving New York a second team after losing the Giants and Dodgers to the West Coast, which obviously wouldn't have happened if the above '51 scenario took place. The Mets could have appeared in a different market with Jack Kent Cooke leading the way from Toronto as the biggest owner/proponent of the league.) That gives you a 32 team league with 4 subleagues starting in 1958. I'm not immediately certain how to operate 4 subleagues in OOTP. Anyway, just an interesting idea to throw out there... __________________ "Don't worry about it, fellas. I'm an old Oriole. I'm too tough to die." - Wilbert Robinson, Hall of Fame Visit The Boardwalk for Sports, Gaming, and other talk!

05-01-2019, 05:25 PM	#3
oriole^ Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 123	True that...but they were the Crackers for about 50 years prior to 1966, and the Braves as a name is not without its complications. You want to really confuse people: the Negro League team in Atlanta was the Black Crackers. __________________ "Don't worry about it, fellas. I'm an old Oriole. I'm too tough to die." - Wilbert Robinson, Hall of Fame Visit The Boardwalk for Sports, Gaming, and other talk!

05-02-2019, 01:49 AM	#6
oriole^ Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 123	I think you'd have to go for a rotating style of playoffs rather than a seeding, particularly if there was no interleague play: 2019 Playoffs: AL vs. NL, PCL vs. CL 2020 Playoffs: AL vs. PCL, NL vs. CL 2021 Playoffs: NL vs. PCL, AL vs. CL ...and so forth. Again...not sure how that could be entered automagically. You would probably have to fix the playoff bracket before every season. __________________ "Don't worry about it, fellas. I'm an old Oriole. I'm too tough to die." - Wilbert Robinson, Hall of Fame Visit The Boardwalk for Sports, Gaming, and other talk!

05-09-2019, 11:51 AM	#7
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 6,896	I'd go with the Federal League and then the Continental League, if I could, in such a scenario. The Federal League would consist mostly of teams east of the Mississippi, and the Continental League mostly of teams west of it, while the classic teams would not move out of their traditional locations needlessly. Just my thoughts here, that's all. CD out. __________________ Some Favorite Bible Verses: Proverbs 16:7 KJV Romans 12:18 KJV Philippians 2:1-11 KJV DeviantArt: https://www.deviantart.com/clovidequano-dovatha GBA: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=316515 EC's IPA: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=158631 Updates to my various threads may be delayed or sporadic, and requests may still be some time away, while I continue working on LUtD. CD out.

08-10-2019, 02:43 PM	#8
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 6,896	Any progress on this? Just wondering, that's all. CD out. __________________ Some Favorite Bible Verses: Proverbs 16:7 KJV Romans 12:18 KJV Philippians 2:1-11 KJV DeviantArt: https://www.deviantart.com/clovidequano-dovatha GBA: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=316515 EC's IPA: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=158631 Updates to my various threads may be delayed or sporadic, and requests may still be some time away, while I continue working on LUtD. CD out.

05-01-2019, 05:51 PM	#4
Reed All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,938	Several years ago I was in an online league and since I live in Georgia and wanted a historical named, I named my team the Atlanta Crackers but a couple people complain. I renamed my team the Atlanta Braves and that was fine with them. Strange.

05-01-2019, 06:15 PM	#5
JaBurns All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna, British Columbia Posts: 1,266	Like the idea of 4 leagues with the winners playoff for the World Series. Please tell me no interleague or DH. Good luck.

10-31-2019, 09:54 AM	#9
splat58 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 65	Just saw this. Interesting idea. Could you expand with the Negro League before expanding with the PCL?

10-31-2019, 11:24 AM	#10
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,158	To my understanding, sub-leagues are capped at two. Might be the best way is each league is its own division - with a custom schedule to avoid inter-division play. History might be a problem, as you wouldn't be able to do divisional awards. Maybe an association with each league standing alone would work. __________________ MySQL, MyStruggle - A self-indulgent blog about my attempts to roll my own MySQL Database with OOTP Logo Gallery