Full Sim 1871-2009

Garlon · 12-25-2010, 03:32 PM

Hey everyone,

I just started a new sim this morning starting in 1871. Here's how I am running it:

Years: # Games, Rotation size and mode
1871-1878: 56 G, 1-man
1879-1881: 84 G, 2-man strict
1882-1885: 105 G, 2-man strict
1886-1889: 135 G, 3-man strict
1890-1900: 135 G, 4-man highest
1901-1960: 154 G, 4-man strict
1961-1968: 162 G, 4-man strict
1969-2010: 162 G, 5-man highest

1871-1881: 8 teams
1882-1900: 16 teams
1901-1960: 20 teams
1961-1968: 24 teams
1969-2009: 32 teams

Here are the results of 1871-1900 so far:

Top 10 in Hits:
Cap Anson 3348
Dan Brouthers 3327
Sam Thompson 2680
Jimmy Ryan 2432
Roger Connor 2393
Buck Ewing 2357
George Van Haltren 2144
Billy Hamilton 2113
Jack Glasscock 2039
Ed Delahanty 2029

Top 10 in Wins
Bobby Mathews 328
Tony Mullane 261
John Clarkson 224
Mickey Welch 216
Old Hoss Radbourn 205
Harry Arundel 203
Jim Whitney 199
Jim McCormick 198
Tim Keefe 196
Adonis Terry 194

pstrickert · 12-25-2010, 04:36 PM

Keep us posted!

Garlon · 12-25-2010, 06:03 PM

I'm thru the 1935 season.

Babe Ruth
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .342/.474/.690/1.164
Sim: .341/.501/.659/1.160

HR
Real: 714
Sim: 762

HR per 1000 AB
Real: 85
Sim: 83

Al Simmons has had two different hitting streaks of 52 games.

Cy Young 351 Wins, 2.30 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 5998 IP

Chicagofan76 · 12-25-2010, 09:37 PM

let me know what Shoeless Joe Jackson did and how Harold Baines does. I am in 1882 of my league.

Garlon · 12-25-2010, 09:53 PM

Ted Williams
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .344/.482/.634/1.116
Sim: .337/.471/.607/1.079

HR per 1000 AB
Real: 67
Sim: 66

Frank Robinson
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .294/.389/.537/.926
Sim: .291/.390/.517/.907

HR per 1000 AB
Real: 58
Sim: 53

Hank Aaron
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .305/.374/.555/.928
Sim: .302/.375/.532/.907

HR per 1000 AB
Real: 61
Sim: 55

Aaron hit 737 HR in the sim.

Joe Jackson
Sim: .333/.406/.476/.882
He had 2440 hits in the sim.

Garlon · 12-25-2010, 10:16 PM

Bill Terry
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .341/.393/.506/.899
Sim: .348/.395/.503/.898

Ed Delahanty
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .346/.411/.505/.917
Sim: .345/.413/.501/.915

Willie Mays
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .302/.384/.557/.941
Sim: .304/.391/.561/.952

Jimmie Foxx
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .325/.428/.609/1.038
Sim: .317/.432/.576/1.007

Mickey Mantle
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .298/.421/.557/.977
Sim: .296/.426/.544/.969

Johnny Mize
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .312/.397/.562/.959
Sim: .310/.399/.550/.949

Ernie Banks
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .274/.330/.500/.830
Sim: .274/.323/.489/.812

Stan Musial
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .331/.417/.559/.976
Sim: .324/.405/.535/.940

Eddie Mathews
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .271/.376/.509/.885
Sim: .274/.381/.490/.871

Yogi Berra
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .285/.348/.482/.830
Sim: .288/.344/.483/.826

Al Kaline
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .297/.376/.480/.855
Sim: .297/.378/.474/.852

Joe DiMaggio
K per 1000 AB
Real: 54
Sim: 61

Garlon · 12-26-2010, 02:53 AM

The sim is complete thru 2009.

There were 43 instances of 50+ HRs in a season in the sim, IRL there were 41 instances of 50+ thru the 2009 season. The most HRs in a season in th sim was 69 by McGwire.

There were 24 pitchers who won 300+ games in the sim, which is the same amount as IRL.

Chicagofan76 -
Harold Baines
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .289/.356/.465/.820
Sim: .291/.355/.478/.832
2843 H, 480 2B, 39 3B, 423 HR

Let me know what results you guys would like to know. I'll post the player real vs sim stats.

Albert Pujols (thru 2009)
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .334/.427/.638/1.055
Sim: .334/.428/.611/1.038

Kobeck · 12-26-2010, 03:14 AM

Phil Neikro?

Chicagofan76 · 12-26-2010, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garlon

Chicagofan76 -
Harold Baines
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .289/.356/.465/.820
Sim: .291/.355/.478/.832
2843 H, 480 2B, 39 3B, 423 HR

2843 H? not too far off of his IRL 2866 and his HR are a lot higher...is he a HOF er?

Speaking of who is is the Hall Of Fame?

pstrickert · 12-26-2010, 11:31 AM

Nice work, Garlon. I noticed that SLG% seems to be slightly low for most of the players you listed. Any reason for this?

pstrickert · 12-26-2010, 11:34 AM

I should add -- in case people don't know it -- Garlon is largely responsible for the improvements to OOTP historicals. Spritze, too, should receive a lot of credit. Thanks, guys!

Garlon · 12-26-2010, 11:49 AM

pstrickert - SLG% is generally lower for players in my sim because they usually play a bit more in their least productive seasons than they did IRL which will bring their career rates down a bit. I think that some of the replacement levels for the cup of coffee players are still a bit too strong, esp for 1Bmen, and that takes a few HRs, 2B's, etc from other players.

Garlon · 12-26-2010, 12:54 PM

Rogers Hornsby
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .358/.434/.577/1.010
Sim: .365/.441/.574/1.015

Eddie Collins
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .333/.424/.429/.853
Sim: .323/.420/.417/.837

Tony Gwynn
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .338/.388/.459/.847
Sim: .346/.389/.484/.873

Pete Rose
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .303/.375/.409/.784
Sim: .301/.371/.411/.782

George Brett
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .305/.369/.487/.857
Sim: .301/.359/.472/.831

Dave Winfield
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .283/.353/.475/.827
Sim: .293/.357/486/.843

Rod Carew
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .328/.393/.429/.822
Sim: .327/.391/.433/.824

Paul Molitor
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .306/.369/.448/.817
Sim: .306/.371/.454/.826

Andre Dawson
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .279/.323/.482/.806
Sim: .284/.328/.480/.808

Joe Morgan
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .271/.392/.427/.819
Sim: .272/.402/.423/.826

Brooks Robinson
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .267/.322/.401/.723
Sim: .274/.325/.411/.735

Steve Garvey
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .294/.329/.446/.775
Sim: .296/.329/.444/.773

Lou Brock
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
Real: .293/.343/.410/.753
Sim: .290/340/.414/.753

Afino · 12-26-2010, 01:16 PM

300+ wins list?

Garlon · 12-26-2010, 01:50 PM

300+ Wins

Player, W-L, ERA,
W. Johnson, 419-320, 2.70
E. Wynn, 390-363, 3.63
J. Quinn, 383-364, 3.10
W. Spahn, 373-316, 3.37
R. Clemens, 372-238, 3.02
C. Bender, 354-321, 2.52
C. Young, 351-309, 2.30
D. Sutton, 343-264, 3.26
N. Ryan, 343-263, 3.16
R. Ruffing, 343-375, 3.85
S. Carlton, 332-270, 3.21
R. Marquard, 330-268, 2.88
B. Mathews, 328-268, 2.15
G. Maddux, 323-271, 3.33
J. Kaat, 319-245, 3.10
D. Leonard, 316-231, 3.29
C. Simmons, 315-262, 3.35
D. Vance, 309-224, 2.91
H. Pennock, 308-256, 3.23
B. Newsom, 308-298, 3.74
D. Dean, 308-233, 3.50
T. Lyons, 307-316, 3.58
T. Seaver, 306-212, 3.06

Almost made it to 300
B. Blyleven, 299-290, 3.09
C. Mathewson, 298-271, 2.68
E. Cicotte, 296-263, 2.64
G. Perry, 294-275, 2.78
S. Rowe, 292-241, 3.34
P. Alexander 292-293, 2.89
R. Roberts, 291-281, 3.45
B. Donovan, 291-258, 2.58
J. Haines, 290-273, 3.57

Chicagofan76 · 12-26-2010, 02:01 PM

top 5 or 10 list for HR and AVG?

Garlon · 12-26-2010, 02:09 PM

Kobeck-

Phil Niekro -

W-L, ERA, WHIP, IP
Real: 318-274, 3.35, 1.27, 5404
Sim: 272-287, 3.45, 1.28, 5150

K per 1000 BF, BB per 1000 BF, HR Allowed per 1000 BF, K:BB ratio
Real: 147, 79, 21, 1.84
Sim: 153, 79, 21, 1.94

Garlon · 12-26-2010, 02:25 PM

Top 10 Career BA
R. Hornsby .365
B. Terry .348
T. Gwynn .346
E. Delahanty .345
B. Ruth .341
L. O'Doul 340
J. Burkett .340
P. Browning .340
T. Cobb .339
T. Williams .337

Top 10 Career HR
(HR Totals for some players are a bit higher than expected because injuries were off, and DH was not used in the sim.)
For reference I have provided the player's Real Life HR per 1000 AB vs his Sim HR per 1000 AB

Player Sim HR, Real HR per 1000 AB vs Sim HR per 1000 AB
B. Bonds 854, 77 vs 73
W. Mays 823, 60 vs 62
B. Ruth 762, 85 vs 83
H. Killebrew 761, 70 vs 66
T. Williams 746, 67 vs 66
H. Aaron 737, 61 vs 55
M. McGwire 705, 94 vs 93
W. Stargell 702, 59 vs 57
F. Thomas 684, 63 vs 66
W. McCovey 677, 63 vs 62

PhillieFever · 12-26-2010, 04:06 PM

The numbers look really look great, very consistent to what I've been seeing as well in my test runs. I usually play with injuries on, and the home run totals absolutely do drop a bit, in my last sim Bonds was the all-time leader with 771. In the current league that I'm playing now, I've been using R/L transactions and I've been getting really really good results team wise.

Junior19 · 12-29-2010, 02:32 PM

Griffey?

12-25-2010, 03:32 PM	#1
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,753	Full Sim 1871-2009 Hey everyone, I just started a new sim this morning starting in 1871. Here's how I am running it: Years: # Games, Rotation size and mode 1871-1878: 56 G, 1-man 1879-1881: 84 G, 2-man strict 1882-1885: 105 G, 2-man strict 1886-1889: 135 G, 3-man strict 1890-1900: 135 G, 4-man highest 1901-1960: 154 G, 4-man strict 1961-1968: 162 G, 4-man strict 1969-2010: 162 G, 5-man highest 1871-1881: 8 teams 1882-1900: 16 teams 1901-1960: 20 teams 1961-1968: 24 teams 1969-2009: 32 teams Here are the results of 1871-1900 so far: Top 10 in Hits: Cap Anson 3348 Dan Brouthers 3327 Sam Thompson 2680 Jimmy Ryan 2432 Roger Connor 2393 Buck Ewing 2357 George Van Haltren 2144 Billy Hamilton 2113 Jack Glasscock 2039 Ed Delahanty 2029 Top 10 in Wins Bobby Mathews 328 Tony Mullane 261 John Clarkson 224 Mickey Welch 216 Old Hoss Radbourn 205 Harry Arundel 203 Jim Whitney 199 Jim McCormick 198 Tim Keefe 196 Adonis Terry 194

12-26-2010, 01:16 PM	#14
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,828 Blog Entries: 2	300+ wins list? __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers

12-26-2010, 01:50 PM	#15
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,753	300+ Wins Player, W-L, ERA, W. Johnson, 419-320, 2.70 E. Wynn, 390-363, 3.63 J. Quinn, 383-364, 3.10 W. Spahn, 373-316, 3.37 R. Clemens, 372-238, 3.02 C. Bender, 354-321, 2.52 C. Young, 351-309, 2.30 D. Sutton, 343-264, 3.26 N. Ryan, 343-263, 3.16 R. Ruffing, 343-375, 3.85 S. Carlton, 332-270, 3.21 R. Marquard, 330-268, 2.88 B. Mathews, 328-268, 2.15 G. Maddux, 323-271, 3.33 J. Kaat, 319-245, 3.10 D. Leonard, 316-231, 3.29 C. Simmons, 315-262, 3.35 D. Vance, 309-224, 2.91 H. Pennock, 308-256, 3.23 B. Newsom, 308-298, 3.74 D. Dean, 308-233, 3.50 T. Lyons, 307-316, 3.58 T. Seaver, 306-212, 3.06 Almost made it to 300 B. Blyleven, 299-290, 3.09 C. Mathewson, 298-271, 2.68 E. Cicotte, 296-263, 2.64 G. Perry, 294-275, 2.78 S. Rowe, 292-241, 3.34 P. Alexander 292-293, 2.89 R. Roberts, 291-281, 3.45 B. Donovan, 291-258, 2.58 J. Haines, 290-273, 3.57 Last edited by Garlon; 12-26-2010 at 01:52 PM.

12-25-2010, 04:36 PM	#2
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,738	Keep us posted!

12-25-2010, 06:03 PM	#3
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,753	I'm thru the 1935 season. Babe Ruth BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .342/.474/.690/1.164 Sim: .341/.501/.659/1.160 HR Real: 714 Sim: 762 HR per 1000 AB Real: 85 Sim: 83 Al Simmons has had two different hitting streaks of 52 games. Cy Young 351 Wins, 2.30 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 5998 IP

12-25-2010, 09:37 PM	#4
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	let me know what Shoeless Joe Jackson did and how Harold Baines does. I am in 1882 of my league.

12-25-2010, 09:53 PM	#5
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,753	Ted Williams BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .344/.482/.634/1.116 Sim: .337/.471/.607/1.079 HR per 1000 AB Real: 67 Sim: 66 Frank Robinson BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .294/.389/.537/.926 Sim: .291/.390/.517/.907 HR per 1000 AB Real: 58 Sim: 53 Hank Aaron BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .305/.374/.555/.928 Sim: .302/.375/.532/.907 HR per 1000 AB Real: 61 Sim: 55 Aaron hit 737 HR in the sim. Joe Jackson Sim: .333/.406/.476/.882 He had 2440 hits in the sim.

12-25-2010, 10:16 PM	#6
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,753	Bill Terry BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .341/.393/.506/.899 Sim: .348/.395/.503/.898 Ed Delahanty BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .346/.411/.505/.917 Sim: .345/.413/.501/.915 Willie Mays BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .302/.384/.557/.941 Sim: .304/.391/.561/.952 Jimmie Foxx BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .325/.428/.609/1.038 Sim: .317/.432/.576/1.007 Mickey Mantle BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .298/.421/.557/.977 Sim: .296/.426/.544/.969 Johnny Mize BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .312/.397/.562/.959 Sim: .310/.399/.550/.949 Ernie Banks BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .274/.330/.500/.830 Sim: .274/.323/.489/.812 Stan Musial BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .331/.417/.559/.976 Sim: .324/.405/.535/.940 Eddie Mathews BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .271/.376/.509/.885 Sim: .274/.381/.490/.871 Yogi Berra BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .285/.348/.482/.830 Sim: .288/.344/.483/.826 Al Kaline BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .297/.376/.480/.855 Sim: .297/.378/.474/.852 Joe DiMaggio K per 1000 AB Real: 54 Sim: 61

12-26-2010, 02:53 AM	#7
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,753	The sim is complete thru 2009. There were 43 instances of 50+ HRs in a season in the sim, IRL there were 41 instances of 50+ thru the 2009 season. The most HRs in a season in th sim was 69 by McGwire. There were 24 pitchers who won 300+ games in the sim, which is the same amount as IRL. Chicagofan76 - Harold Baines BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .289/.356/.465/.820 Sim: .291/.355/.478/.832 2843 H, 480 2B, 39 3B, 423 HR Let me know what results you guys would like to know. I'll post the player real vs sim stats. Albert Pujols (thru 2009) BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .334/.427/.638/1.055 Sim: .334/.428/.611/1.038

12-26-2010, 03:14 AM	#8
Kobeck Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 488	Phil Neikro?

12-26-2010, 11:31 AM	#10
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,738	Nice work, Garlon. I noticed that SLG% seems to be slightly low for most of the players you listed. Any reason for this?

12-26-2010, 11:34 AM	#11
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,738	I should add -- in case people don't know it -- Garlon is largely responsible for the improvements to OOTP historicals. Spritze, too, should receive a lot of credit. Thanks, guys!

12-26-2010, 11:49 AM	#12
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,753	pstrickert - SLG% is generally lower for players in my sim because they usually play a bit more in their least productive seasons than they did IRL which will bring their career rates down a bit. I think that some of the replacement levels for the cup of coffee players are still a bit too strong, esp for 1Bmen, and that takes a few HRs, 2B's, etc from other players.

12-26-2010, 12:54 PM	#13
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,753	Rogers Hornsby BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .358/.434/.577/1.010 Sim: .365/.441/.574/1.015 Eddie Collins BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .333/.424/.429/.853 Sim: .323/.420/.417/.837 Tony Gwynn BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .338/.388/.459/.847 Sim: .346/.389/.484/.873 Pete Rose BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .303/.375/.409/.784 Sim: .301/.371/.411/.782 George Brett BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .305/.369/.487/.857 Sim: .301/.359/.472/.831 Dave Winfield BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .283/.353/.475/.827 Sim: .293/.357/486/.843 Rod Carew BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .328/.393/.429/.822 Sim: .327/.391/.433/.824 Paul Molitor BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .306/.369/.448/.817 Sim: .306/.371/.454/.826 Andre Dawson BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .279/.323/.482/.806 Sim: .284/.328/.480/.808 Joe Morgan BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .271/.392/.427/.819 Sim: .272/.402/.423/.826 Brooks Robinson BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .267/.322/.401/.723 Sim: .274/.325/.411/.735 Steve Garvey BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .294/.329/.446/.775 Sim: .296/.329/.444/.773 Lou Brock BA/OBP/SLG/OPS Real: .293/.343/.410/.753 Sim: .290/340/.414/.753

12-26-2010, 02:01 PM	#16
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	top 5 or 10 list for HR and AVG?

12-26-2010, 02:09 PM	#17
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,753	Kobeck- Phil Niekro - W-L, ERA, WHIP, IP Real: 318-274, 3.35, 1.27, 5404 Sim: 272-287, 3.45, 1.28, 5150 K per 1000 BF, BB per 1000 BF, HR Allowed per 1000 BF, K:BB ratio Real: 147, 79, 21, 1.84 Sim: 153, 79, 21, 1.94

12-26-2010, 02:25 PM	#18
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,753	Top 10 Career BA R. Hornsby .365 B. Terry .348 T. Gwynn .346 E. Delahanty .345 B. Ruth .341 L. O'Doul 340 J. Burkett .340 P. Browning .340 T. Cobb .339 T. Williams .337 Top 10 Career HR (HR Totals for some players are a bit higher than expected because injuries were off, and DH was not used in the sim.) For reference I have provided the player's Real Life HR per 1000 AB vs his Sim HR per 1000 AB Player Sim HR, Real HR per 1000 AB vs Sim HR per 1000 AB B. Bonds 854, 77 vs 73 W. Mays 823, 60 vs 62 B. Ruth 762, 85 vs 83 H. Killebrew 761, 70 vs 66 T. Williams 746, 67 vs 66 H. Aaron 737, 61 vs 55 M. McGwire 705, 94 vs 93 W. Stargell 702, 59 vs 57 F. Thomas 684, 63 vs 66 W. McCovey 677, 63 vs 62

12-26-2010, 04:06 PM	#19
PhillieFever Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Elk Twp. NJ Posts: 6,763	The numbers look really look great, very consistent to what I've been seeing as well in my test runs. I usually play with injuries on, and the home run totals absolutely do drop a bit, in my last sim Bonds was the all-time leader with 771. In the current league that I'm playing now, I've been using R/L transactions and I've been getting really really good results team wise.

12-29-2010, 02:32 PM	#20
Junior19 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 90	Griffey?