20 Best Teams All-Time - Page 2

BaseballMan · 04-04-2007, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 84CubsFan

My favorite article ever to rank the best teams in baseball was done by SI a long while back. I filed it away somewhere and may dig it out again -- I remember using it to create an all-time league for LaRussa baseball. Man that took a long time to enter.

Anyway, it ranked only World Series winners, so the '06 Cubs were out. Pound-for-pound, its best team was the '27 Yanks followed by the '61 Yanks, with the '07 Cubs coming in a close third.

27 Yankees i can agree with but how they could beleive 61 Yankees were the 2nd best team i find well laughable. Yeah they were a good team but they were too one dimensional imo to be ranked 2nd. There were a lot of other world series winners that i would say were better.

DougWyatt · 04-04-2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 112in68

Come again? WS champions.

lol. was thinking the same thing

Dagrims · 04-04-2007, 08:40 AM

Woody5254 had a series of Dynasty threads awhile back where he pitted the best teams of all time against each other. You may want to search through those - should get some more good suggestions.

Start here - he also ran a huge "You Pick" tournament.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-04-2007, 09:47 AM

You should include one really bad team just to see how badly they would do.

swampdragon · 04-04-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gastric ReFlux

You should include one really bad team just to see how badly they would do.

Yeah. The Phillies had some amazingly bad teams around 1940. Pick one of them, or the Athletics after one of the times Connie Mack broke them up.

Dagrims · 04-04-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

Yeah. The Phillies had some amazingly bad teams throughout the 1900s.

^^^^
Fixed for accuracy. With their 45th loss this season, they'll become the first franchise to lose 10,000 games.

CBL-Commish · 04-04-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

Yeah. The Phillies had some amazingly bad teams around 1940. Pick one of them, or the Athletics after one of the times Connie Mack broke them up.

I was doing some research on the longest losing season streaks, mainly for an article about the Orioles and their 9-year run of futility. Found it interesting that from 1919-1948 the Phils had one winning season. That heady '32 season saw them finish in 4th place, with a 78-76 record. How in heck did the A's pick up and leave while the Phils stuck around?

TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin · 04-04-2007, 09:59 PM

I will post a list produced by a statistical analysis below..

TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin · 04-04-2007, 10:12 PM

SrsresearchPOWERSTAT.txt

TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin · 04-04-2007, 10:14 PM

RANK YEAR TEAM SCORE WON LOST RUNS AGN
1 1939 Yanks 87.36 106 45 967 556
2 1998 Yanks 86.19 114 48 965 656
3 1927 Yanks 85.70 110 44 975 599
4 1932 Yanks 74.55 107 47 1002 724
5 1902 Pirates 73.27 103 36 775 440
6 1936 Yanks 72.46 102 51 1065 731
7 1970 Orioles 71.81 108 54 792 574
8 1937 Yanks 69.60 102 52 979 671
9 1929 A's 69.28 104 46 901 615
10 1905 Giants 68.23 105 48 780 505
11 1906 Cubs 68.16 116 36 705 381
12 1910 A's 66.21 102 48 673 441
13 1976 Reds 65.46 102 60 857 633
14 1942 Cards 65.41 106 48 755 482
15 1909 Pirates 64.64 110 42 699 447
16 1907 Cubs 63.80 107 45 574 390
17 1975 Reds 63.59 108 54 840 586
18 1938 Yanks 63.58 99 53 966 710
19 1944 Cards 62.73 105 49 772 490
20 1911 A's 62.71 101 50 861 601

Radsmats · 04-05-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

27 Yankees i can agree with but how they could beleive 61 Yankees were the 2nd best team i find well laughable. Yeah they were a good team but they were too one dimensional imo to be ranked 2nd. There were a lot of other world series winners that i would say were better.

Bill James Historical Abstract argues the 61 Yanks are way overrated because they relied too much on homers and didn't lead the league in scoring (Detroit) or ERA (Baltimore). I agree, but would be interesting just to see how they do in your league.
I'd vote for the 1954 Indians. OK, they died in the World Series, but that was a great, great rotation. That alone will cause trouble for the rest of the "league." And they broke up the biggest dynasty in BB history, beating the 103-51 Yanks by EIGHT games.

TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin · 04-24-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Radsmats

Bill James Historical Abstract argues the 61 Yanks are way overrated because they relied too much on homers and didn't lead the league in scoring (Detroit) or ERA (Baltimore). I agree, but would be interesting just to see how they do in your league.
I'd vote for the 1954 Indians. OK, they died in the World Series, but that was a great, great rotation. That alone will cause trouble for the rest of the "league." And they broke up the biggest dynasty in BB history, beating the 103-51 Yanks by EIGHT games.

The yanks won 9 pennants and 4 world seriers iover the next 10 years so it was more like the eye of a storm. Cleveland had a great paper team but paper teams do not equate to great teams. Just look at last years NYY team. On paper they were great, but in reality Detroit won and proved to be a better team. Losing 4 of their most important games SHOULD have an impact on our evaluation of them.

I do agree that the 61' Yanks, while flashy, were not among the very best teams ever.

reds1 · 04-24-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin

RANK YEAR TEAM SCORE WON LOST RUNS AGN
1 1939 Yanks 87.36 106 45 967 556

And they achieved this without Lou Gehrig. Imagine if he had stayed healthy.

TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin · 04-25-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by reds1

And they achieved this without Lou Gehrig. Imagine if he had stayed healthy.

Good point. I hadn't even considered that. His skills were deteriorating rapidly in '38 and by '39 he was done.

Dr. C-Mac · 04-27-2007, 12:50 PM

How do I create a league like this? In other words, how do I set up a historical league with a bunch of teams from different years, such as the 20 greatest teams ever or the past 30 World Series champions, etc...?

dcundy · 06-26-2007, 10:04 PM

Tried the best teams in a 2007 league that started with 40 teams and ended up with the following as the top 24:

1 02 PIT
2 53 NYA
3 36 NYA
4 98 ATL
5 12 NYG
6 22 NYG
7 12 BOS
8 25 PIT
9 60 PIT
10 85 SLN
11 76 CIN
12 20 CLE
13 86 NYM
14 42 NYA
15 98 NYA
16 95 CLE
17 71 PIT
18 11 DET
19 32 NYA
20 95 ATL
21 27 NYA
22 21 NYA
23 35 DET
24 84 DET

molarmite · 06-26-2007, 10:27 PM

I think the '91 Twins should be in this for sure.

ctorg · 06-27-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by statman

I'm looking for a little help on putting together a league with the 20 best teams of All-Time. I don't want the teams to be to close in years (Reds 75 or 76, not both). I have listed 15 of them below and thought I would throw it out to the forum to complete the list.

1927 Yankees
1961 Yankees
1976 Cincinnati
1936 Yankees
1970 Orioles
1998 Yankees
1986 Mets
1955 Dodgers
1984 Tigers
1948 Indians
1990 Oakland
1965 Dodgers
1967 Cardinals
1974 Oakland
1998 Yankees

You have the 1998 Yankees listed twice there.

matt2053 · 06-27-2007, 07:09 PM

How about some of those great Braves teams in the 90s? Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, David Justice, Terry Pendleton...

And the most forgotten team of all time, the 1994 Montreal Expos, with Moises Alou, Larry Walker, Marquis Grissom, Rondell White, Cliff Floyd, John Wettland, and of course Pedro Martinez...

poodiddy · 06-28-2007, 04:48 PM

I've been going by decade when doing historical great teams leagues.

I made this chart , it lists every teams best finish by decade.

My criteria for best team each decade went.....
#1 - World Series Champ (WS)
#2 - World Series Champ (WS) best record if more than 1 in a decade
#3 - AL/NL Champ (AL/NL)
#4 - AL/NL Champ (AL/NL) best record if more than 1 in decade
#5 - Division Champ (DIV)
#6 - Division Champ (DIV) best record if more than 1 in decade
#7 - Wild Card (WC)
#8 - Wild Card (WC) best record if more than 1 in decade
#9 - Best Winning Percentage (Finish 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th)

I'd like to post it here if anyone is interested in checking it out but it is in Excel format and this site is not letting me upload it. I also have it in word, but it is 124 kbs and this site only allows me to post up to 100 kbs.

If anyone is interested in checking it out and has an idea of how I can get it to you just let me know....

04-04-2007, 08:40 AM	#23
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,829	Woody5254 had a series of Dynasty threads awhile back where he pitted the best teams of all time against each other. You may want to search through those - should get some more good suggestions. Start here - he also ran a huge "You Pick" tournament. __________________ "Read books, get brain."

04-04-2007, 09:59 PM	#28
TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 72	The Best 100 Teams: I will post a list produced by a statistical analysis below.. __________________ "The phrase 'off with the crack of the bat', while romantic, is really meaningless, since the outfielder should be in motion long before he hears the sound of the ball meeting the bat."- Joe D. Last edited by TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin; 04-24-2007 at 04:11 PM.

04-04-2007, 10:12 PM	#29
TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 72	Woops, maybe this is a better way... SrsresearchPOWERSTAT.txt __________________ "The phrase 'off with the crack of the bat', while romantic, is really meaningless, since the outfielder should be in motion long before he hears the sound of the ball meeting the bat."- Joe D.

04-04-2007, 10:14 PM	#30
TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 72	Heres the top 20... RANK YEAR TEAM SCORE WON LOST RUNS AGN 1 1939 Yanks 87.36 106 45 967 556 2 1998 Yanks 86.19 114 48 965 656 3 1927 Yanks 85.70 110 44 975 599 4 1932 Yanks 74.55 107 47 1002 724 5 1902 Pirates 73.27 103 36 775 440 6 1936 Yanks 72.46 102 51 1065 731 7 1970 Orioles 71.81 108 54 792 574 8 1937 Yanks 69.60 102 52 979 671 9 1929 A's 69.28 104 46 901 615 10 1905 Giants 68.23 105 48 780 505 11 1906 Cubs 68.16 116 36 705 381 12 1910 A's 66.21 102 48 673 441 13 1976 Reds 65.46 102 60 857 633 14 1942 Cards 65.41 106 48 755 482 15 1909 Pirates 64.64 110 42 699 447 16 1907 Cubs 63.80 107 45 574 390 17 1975 Reds 63.59 108 54 840 586 18 1938 Yanks 63.58 99 53 966 710 19 1944 Cards 62.73 105 49 772 490 20 1911 A's 62.71 101 50 861 601 __________________ "The phrase 'off with the crack of the bat', while romantic, is really meaningless, since the outfielder should be in motion long before he hears the sound of the ball meeting the bat."- Joe D.

04-27-2007, 12:50 PM	#35
Dr. C-Mac Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 8	Help getting started How do I create a league like this? In other words, how do I set up a historical league with a bunch of teams from different years, such as the 20 greatest teams ever or the past 30 World Series champions, etc...?

04-04-2007, 09:47 AM	#24
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	You should include one really bad team just to see how badly they would do.

06-26-2007, 10:04 PM	#36
dcundy Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 71	Tried the best teams in a 2007 league that started with 40 teams and ended up with the following as the top 24: 1 02 PIT 2 53 NYA 3 36 NYA 4 98 ATL 5 12 NYG 6 22 NYG 7 12 BOS 8 25 PIT 9 60 PIT 10 85 SLN 11 76 CIN 12 20 CLE 13 86 NYM 14 42 NYA 15 98 NYA 16 95 CLE 17 71 PIT 18 11 DET 19 32 NYA 20 95 ATL 21 27 NYA 22 21 NYA 23 35 DET 24 84 DET

06-26-2007, 10:27 PM	#37
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,893 Blog Entries: 1	I think the '91 Twins should be in this for sure. __________________ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps." [

06-27-2007, 07:09 PM	#39
matt2053 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 55	How about some of those great Braves teams in the 90s? Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, David Justice, Terry Pendleton... And the most forgotten team of all time, the 1994 Montreal Expos, with Moises Alou, Larry Walker, Marquis Grissom, Rondell White, Cliff Floyd, John Wettland, and of course Pedro Martinez...

06-28-2007, 04:48 PM	#40
poodiddy Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 17	I've been going by decade when doing historical great teams leagues. I made this chart , it lists every teams best finish by decade. My criteria for best team each decade went..... #1 - World Series Champ (WS) #2 - World Series Champ (WS) best record if more than 1 in a decade #3 - AL/NL Champ (AL/NL) #4 - AL/NL Champ (AL/NL) best record if more than 1 in decade #5 - Division Champ (DIV) #6 - Division Champ (DIV) best record if more than 1 in decade #7 - Wild Card (WC) #8 - Wild Card (WC) best record if more than 1 in decade #9 - Best Winning Percentage (Finish 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th) I'd like to post it here if anyone is interested in checking it out but it is in Excel format and this site is not letting me upload it. I also have it in word, but it is 124 kbs and this site only allows me to post up to 100 kbs. If anyone is interested in checking it out and has an idea of how I can get it to you just let me know....