Number of balls for a walk

JLK · 07-18-2009, 03:09 PM

I guess I could just try this out myself, but I was just wondering about walks in historic leagues. It wasn't until 1889 that four balls got you a walk. Back in 1879 it was NINE. Does the game follow those early rules when playing historic leagues?

And as a side note, are those early rules consider when creating the players abilities in the database?

Questdog · 07-18-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JLK

I guess I could just try this out myself, but I was just wondering about walks in historic leagues. It wasn't until 1889 that four balls got you a walk. Back in 1879 it was NINE. Does the game follow those early rules when playing historic leagues?

And as a side note, are those early rules consider when creating the players abilities in the database?

No, the rules for the game are the same, no matter the year...

jm47048 · 07-18-2009, 05:23 PM

The game can't know exactly what year you're playing, unless it is coded in the game or in the data the you're using. All you're getting is player ratings if you're usnig an MLB roster set, or even you're own set set in that time period.

Perhaps the game should have an option for changing the league rules on things like this for situations like what you're describing. But the game can't know that either way.

Questdog · 07-18-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jm47048

The game can't know exactly what year you're playing, unless it is coded in the game or in the data the you're using. All you're getting is player ratings if you're usnig an MLB roster set, or even you're own set set in that time period.

Perhaps the game should have an option for changing the league rules on things like this for situations like what you're describing. But the game can't know that either way.

I for one LOVE playing out games in the 1870's, but I don't think I want to have to sit through AB's where it takes 9 balls to walk a guy....

Left-handed Badger · 07-18-2009, 06:09 PM

Well, I guess you could set it to model the fact very few walks were drawn. (didnt they also have to throw 4 strikes for a K, then?). Anyway, on baseball-reference, when BBs were actually recorded, you see a lot of season with 5 BBs in 300 ABs. (this could also be due to poor record-keeping and it being incomplete, though something tells 9 balls, or 7 in later seasons, may have had a contributing factor.)

JLK · 07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Actually I misread the 1879 rule. It does say 'nine balls' but a ball is defined as a ball, a strike or a foul. Fouls were not counted as strikes. So after nine pitches, if you hadn't put the ball in play or struck out, you took a base.

toxicavenger74 · 07-19-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JLK

Actually I misread the 1879 rule. It does say 'nine balls' but a ball is defined as a ball, a strike or a foul. Fouls were not counted as strikes. So after nine pitches, if you hadn't put the ball in play or struck out, you took a base.

Is this true?.....So.....why not just stand there and wait out the 9 pitches and take a base?

treedom · 07-19-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by toxicavenger74

Is this true?.....So.....why not just stand there and wait out the 9 pitches and take a base?

Because chicks dig the longball.

Reader012 · 07-19-2009, 09:35 PM

Because you can still strike out.

toxicavenger74 · 07-19-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Reader012

Because you can still strike out.

Ah, misread.

damientheomen3 · 07-20-2009, 06:58 AM

you misread the reinterpretation of the rule that was misread? lol

toxicavenger74 · 07-20-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

you misread the reinterpretation of the rule that was misread? lol

Yes, now if only you would somehow misread my misreading of misreading of the reintepertation.

Left-handed Badger · 07-21-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by treedom

Because chicks dig the longball.

Of course, back then if you had a HR a season, you were practically a longball hitter.

Left-handed Badger · 07-21-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JLK

Actually I misread the 1879 rule. It does say 'nine balls' but a ball is defined as a ball, a strike or a foul. Fouls were not counted as strikes. So after nine pitches, if you hadn't put the ball in play or struck out, you took a base.

Actually, i wonder how it would affect today's game doing a max of 9 pitches per PA. It would take away some of those annoying ABs where it seems like 10 balls are fouled off. But, on the other hand some guy like Eckstein would keep tapping fouls till he got to 9 pitches.

conception · 07-21-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

Actually, i wonder how it would affect today's game doing a max of 9 pitches per PA. It would take away some of those annoying ABs where it seems like 10 balls are fouled off. But, on the other hand some guy like Eckstein would keep tapping fouls till he got to 9 pitches.

In that case he deserves first base. I kind of like the rule.

07-18-2009, 03:09 PM	#1
JLK Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 60	Number of balls for a walk I guess I could just try this out myself, but I was just wondering about walks in historic leagues. It wasn't until 1889 that four balls got you a walk. Back in 1879 it was NINE. Does the game follow those early rules when playing historic leagues? And as a side note, are those early rules consider when creating the players abilities in the database?

07-18-2009, 05:23 PM	#3
jm47048 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,244	The game can't know exactly what year you're playing, unless it is coded in the game or in the data the you're using. All you're getting is player ratings if you're usnig an MLB roster set, or even you're own set set in that time period. Perhaps the game should have an option for changing the league rules on things like this for situations like what you're describing. But the game can't know that either way. __________________ The New York Yankees World Series Champions 1923, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1977, 1978, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2009 American League Champions 1921, 1922, 1923, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2009

07-18-2009, 06:09 PM	#5
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	Well, I guess you could set it to model the fact very few walks were drawn. (didnt they also have to throw 4 strikes for a K, then?). Anyway, on baseball-reference, when BBs were actually recorded, you see a lot of season with 5 BBs in 300 ABs. (this could also be due to poor record-keeping and it being incomplete, though something tells 9 balls, or 7 in later seasons, may have had a contributing factor.) __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

07-19-2009, 04:42 PM	#6
JLK Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 60	Actually I misread the 1879 rule. It does say 'nine balls' but a ball is defined as a ball, a strike or a foul. Fouls were not counted as strikes. So after nine pitches, if you hadn't put the ball in play or struck out, you took a base.

07-19-2009, 09:35 PM	#9
Reader012 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 48 Infractions: 0/2 (198)	Because you can still strike out.