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Old 10-20-2019, 02:16 PM   #1
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AI Decided the Pitcher Would Bat 8th

Thought this was pretty interesting. I have a two-way player as the SP (only his 3rd start) and my backup catcher was starting too, due to him being penciled in every 5th day.

The AI decided to bat the pitcher 8th and the catcher 9th.
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Old 10-20-2019, 02:40 PM   #2
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Part of the new baseball math. Hit your worst hitter eighth, and get a hitter with a much better OBP (generally speaking) to hit ninth to act as a second leadoff hitter, and lead into the better hitters in the batting order. The effect of 16 or so extra PA between the two batting slots over the course of a season is often nullified by the fact that pitchers are the players in the lineup that are most often pinch hit for.
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Old 10-20-2019, 03:10 PM   #3
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Although in the above, it was a two-way player, so the AI probably thought he was a better hitter than the backup C.
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Old 10-21-2019, 12:10 PM   #4
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In fictional leagues you run across managers who always hit the pitcher eighth, presumably for the reason actionjackson suggests.
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Old 10-21-2019, 02:12 PM   #5
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I find this extremely beneficial when you have a speedster with low OBP, who is not a good lead off option. I can't count the times I've moved such a player to third via a steal and a bunt.
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Casey Stengel sometimes did this back in the 1950's when he managed the Yankees. He had some pitchers who were good hitters and would occasionally bat them 8th or even 7th in front of light-hitting Bobby Richardson and Tony Kubek.
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Old 10-21-2019, 04:29 PM   #7
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I find this extremely beneficial when you have a speedster with low OBP, who is not a good lead off option. I can't count the times I've moved such a player to third via a steal and a bunt.
I agree that some guys like that are best batting 9th, but my suggestion-- play it your way of course, but what I think it better-- is not to give up an out bunting him to 3rd. You have good hitters, I'd presume, batting 1st/2nd whose talents are wasted if they bunt. Go ahead and have that #9 guy steal if he's high percentage, taking the DP risk away, and then he's in scoring position and fast so has a good chance to score on a single, and by keeping 0 outs you maximize the chance of the type of big inning that wins games.

If you must bunt when he's on, then bat him 8th so the pitcher's the one to bunt.

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Old 10-21-2019, 05:03 PM   #8
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I always hit my pitcher eighth. It makes too much sense since my best hitters are hitting at the top of my order.

In the game, when you're hiring managers the "SABR" mangers have a blurb along the lines of "sometimes hits his pitchers eighth" and if you check the sample batting order the pitcher will be hitting eighth.

This might be a unique situation, though, since it's a two-way player.

Hopefully, the game doesn't just put the pitcher in the 9th spot regardless of his [relative] batting skill.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:35 PM   #9
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I've often batted my pitcher 8. Growing up in an AL town (Detroit), I didn't get to see it much; but one time when I was at my Grandmother's (she had cable), I saw it in a game between the Cubs and Giants. This was 1988/89, so I'd say it's not really a new concept per se.

With that being said, the logic with putting your fastest and best hitters at the top and power hitters in the middle, is to give your team the best chance to score early in the game (being most crucial). Second and third trips through the order are just as important, and ideally, you want to get your top 1/2 through the lineup one more time before the end of the game. At that point, it really does not matter how the bottom 1/3 is arranged, especially since, as actionjackson stated, the pitcher will likely be pinch hit for. However, to the end of getting the top of the order back up, late in the game, especially in a "pitchers' duel", you'd want #9 to at least be able to hold his own.

Much like notMuchtime, I often have a secondary speedster at #9 (almost always lower OBP than #1), because I'll often utilize the hit-and-run. If you think about it though, you're not getting much return after #6 (and often, better hitters' AVG will go down @ #7), it does not hurt to have your pitcher at #7, but much of that has to do with your players' splits and abilities (i.e. I've got a platoon or defensive specialist at the bottom of the order).
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