OOTP 2007 Vs. Baseball Mogul 2008

Tater · 05-15-2007, 02:08 AM

I am considering purchasing either Baseball Mogul 2008 or OOTP 2007. I am looking to get input on both games (and figure that I will get more OOTP info here and more Mogul info on that site -- at least of a positive nature!).

I am a DMB veteran of some 7-8 years and thoroughly enjoy that game. I am not looking for a replacement for Diamond Mind, but rather a different game to play in addition to it.

The more input/information I can get about both Baseball Mogul 2008 as well as OOTP 2007, the more informed decision I should be able to make.

One final note...of those who play in DMB leagues I am in and who commented on the two games I am considering purchasing, most seemed to suggest that BM 2008 is really little more than Out of the Park 2007 lite. Is that a fair assessment of the two games?

Thanks ahead of time to anyone who can offer me some useful information that will help me make the right choice.

swampdragon · 05-15-2007, 02:23 AM

OOTP is a nice change of pace from DMB. Those are the only two baseball games I play these days, and I try them all. The fun thing is that the games have contrasting strengths and weaknesses. DMB has the best gameplay and the best play by play in the business, but you have to pay a fortune for season disks, and there's no career play or customization. IMO, OOTP is the greatest game in the world until the game starts. It's incredibly deep, allows a ton of visual customization that adds a lot to the game, and has a terrific community that takes advantage of the customization. The gameplay and play by play have improved a lot in the last year, but still could use more work. And there aren't any season disks to buy with OOTP, meaning you have only one investment to make to replay any season from 1901 to 2006.

OOTP also allows you to be a general manager and handle team rosters in a way DMB doesn't. It can get a bit overwhelming, but there are plenty of good people around who are happy to answer questions. I didn't buy Mogul 2008, but I've bought previous versions, and it's hard to imagine that the game could have improved enough to deliver anywhere close to the experience OOTP provides.

rdklein · 05-15-2007, 02:32 AM

I never played BM... you can't go wrong with ootp, though. It's solid.

A good 2007 roster set is what ootp currently lacks... you can play with a few 2007 sets, but they are works in progress.

I was disappointed I didn't have an 2007 set when the season started (I prefer playing with current rosters), but there is so much to this game as far as both fictional and historic replays that have kept me from shelving it until a roster comes out.

ootp is a badass game... I don't regret buying it at all.

magnet · 05-15-2007, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdklein

I never played BM... you can't go wrong with ootp, though. It's solid.

A good 2007 roster set is what ootp currently lacks... you can play with a few 2007 sets, but they are works in progress.

I was disappointed I didn't have an 2007 set when the season started (I prefer playing with current rosters), but there is so much to this game as far as both fictional and historic replays that have kept me from shelving it until a roster comes out.

ootp is a badass game... I don't regret buying it at all.

While I don't care

worth about 2007 rosters (fictional after 1 season, blah blah blah), I agree 100% with the bold.

DougWyatt · 05-15-2007, 03:18 AM

While I've never played BM, I did consider it once. About a month ago, I got a buzz on and read something on here bashing BMs engine, but praising it's "look". So, I decided to do a little investigating. I looked at some screenies, did a little reading, and posted on their forum.

I was very unimpressed.

Especially with my post. I went onto "their turf", and basically said .. "Hey, potential customer here, I play OOTP, and thought about BM too, is this game good ?" --- I got 3 responces. 1 was some cat pushing his "skin", the other 2 said .. "OOTP & BM are good games, get 'em both". Here is said thread.

That said. I HIGHLY recommend OOTP. It is amazing. You are in complete control of any world you want. You can basically set up any kind of baseball you want to. A small college league, a massive world universe with leagues in multiple countries ... and everything in between. You can go the "real" route as well. Current rosters - check. Teams/rosters from ANY year (post 1900) - check (with amazing accuracy).

It is an awesome game.

cochrane · 05-15-2007, 04:31 AM

I've played both Baseball Mogul and OOTP and hands down, I love OOTP way better. The ability to really dive into the stats coupled with a superior interface puts OOTP above the competition. I own multiple licenses for OOTP so I can play it on every computer I own. I've played BM for years and this year I had a choice: I could buy both BM and OOTP or 2 licenses for OOTP... I went with the 2 licenses because I just got more out of OOTP.

-- ZC

CBL-Commish · 05-15-2007, 07:58 AM

With OOTP2007 I have a universe that includes the real majors, the real minors, most of the real indy leagues, the Mexican League, the Japanese Leagues, the Korean and Taiwan Leagues, several European Leagues, a fictional third major league (The Continental League), several fictional affiliated minors, a handful of fictional indy leagues, a league on the islands of Sao Tome and Principe, and several real and fictional winter leagues. They all interact, they all are part of the same simulation, and they all have access to the same free agent pool. They have finances similar to what they'd be in the real world, with big major league teams having payrolls over $100M, and small indy league teams with average salaries under $1k.

When the mood strikes me, I can go look up the height, weight, facial characteristics, and batting average against lefties with runners in scoring position and two outs for the backup second baseman on the Alert Desolation of the Greenland Winter Ice Baseball League. Then in a couple of clicks I can trade him to the Cleveland Indians for Casey Blake, freeing up space to put the Indians' new Rule 5 draftee on the roster.

There's no other game or sim in the history of either baseball or computers that lets you do 1/10th of that, and my example is just one tiny fraction of what's possible in OOTP.

asaintsfan · 05-15-2007, 10:08 AM

nice writeup - makes me wanna play righthere at work

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

With OOTP2007 I have a universe that includes the real majors, the real minors, most of the real indy leagues, the Mexican League, the Japanese Leagues, the Korean and Taiwan Leagues, several European Leagues, a fictional third major league (The Continental League), several fictional affiliated minors, a handful of fictional indy leagues, a league on the islands of Sao Tome and Principe, and several real and fictional winter leagues. They all interact, they all are part of the same simulation, and they all have access to the same free agent pool. They have finances similar to what they'd be in the real world, with big major league teams having payrolls over $100M, and small indy league teams with average salaries under $1k.

When the mood strikes me, I can go look up the height, weight, facial characteristics, and batting average against lefties with runners in scoring position and two outs for the backup second baseman on the Alert Desolation of the Greenland Winter Ice Baseball League. Then in a couple of clicks I can trade him to the Cleveland Indians for Casey Blake, freeing up space to put the Indians' new Rule 5 draftee on the roster.

There's no other game or sim in the history of either baseball or computers that lets you do 1/10th of that, and my example is just one tiny fraction of what's possible in OOTP.

texasmame · 05-15-2007, 04:26 PM

I tried OOTP 2007 and BM 2008 as replacements for my much beloved but now defunct Baseball for Windows. OOTP won pretty easily.

Essekks · 05-15-2007, 04:48 PM

2 weeks ago, I was asking myself the same question. I had played previous versions of Baseball Mogul and kind of grew tired of it. Because of the free 21 day trial of OOTB, I figured I'd try it out and see how into it I got. Needless to say, I am purchasing OOTB without giving Mogul a 2nd thought.

My recomendation is to do the same: Download the trial of OOTB (it is full-featured), get the historical database and a few MODS and play around with it. You can skim the 500+ page manual as you try things out and be sure to take advantage of all the info posted on these forums. You will know in a few days if this game is for you.

Babrook · 05-17-2007, 04:12 PM

You should atleast try both, they are different games-

OOTP- Heavy on detail, sometimes too detailed.
BM- Very simple, sometimes too simple.

I tend to have more fun with BM08, but OOTP is still a blast. Get both, IMO.

George Vedros · 05-21-2007, 04:39 PM

I didn't buy OOTP because I could never edit players. I tried the demo and Johnny Bench was rated a slightly above average defensive catcher in 1972. That doesn't work for me.

canadiancreed · 05-21-2007, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougWyatt

While I've never played BM, I did consider it once. About a month ago, I got a buzz on and read something on here bashing BMs engine, but praising it's "look". So, I decided to do a little investigating. I looked at some screenies, did a little reading, and posted on their forum.

I was very unimpressed.

Especially with my post. I went onto "their turf", and basically said .. "Hey, potential customer here, I play OOTP, and thought about BM too, is this game good ?" --- I got 3 responces. 1 was some cat pushing his "skin", the other 2 said .. "OOTP & BM are good games, get 'em both". Here is said thread.

That said. I HIGHLY recommend OOTP. It is amazing. You are in complete control of any world you want. You can basically set up any kind of baseball you want to. A small college league, a massive world universe with leagues in multiple countries ... and everything in between. You can go the "real" route as well. Current rosters - check. Teams/rosters from ANY year (post 1900) - check (with amazing accuracy).

It is an awesome game.

Guess you havent' read the thread lately. I never understood why if someone posts on two forums for competitors their instantly a "plant". Ah well, what can you do.

Basically this post sums it up best IMO:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babrook

You should atleast try both, they are different games-

OOTP- Heavy on detail, sometimes too detailed.
BM- Very simple, sometimes too simple.

I tend to have more fun with BM08, but OOTP is still a blast. Get both, IMO.

Two games for two market segments. It just depens on what your after. My first baseball SIM was MOgul back in the early 2000's, but for me I foudn it limiting. Others find OOTP too much. That's the beauty of it, you have a selection for what you're after.

Raidergoo · 05-21-2007, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Vedros

I didn't buy OOTP because I could never edit players. I tried the demo and Johnny Bench was rated a slightly above average defensive catcher in 1972. That doesn't work for me.

You can edit these ratings. It's a snap if you are in commish mode. Click the edit tab.

In 1972, Bench's defensive stats were slightly better than league average according to his baseball-reference stats. Of course, you have to dig a little bit deeper to see Bench eliminated the running game, tossing out 60% of would be thieves.

George Vedros · 05-26-2007, 07:01 AM

I was and it didn't edit.

AirmenSmith · 05-26-2007, 10:48 AM

The OP probably already bought one of the 2 games by now but here is my take on Baseball mogul and OOTP 2007. Its short and to the point IMO

Baseball mogul is easier out of the two. Thats good and bad. Its good because if your new to this type of game then BM will be easy to understand. Also BM is faster and can sim more seasons.

Now the reason OOTP is good. The amount of features is well all I can say is "Holy Cow". There are so many things you can do with this game is unbelievable.

Now the bad:

BM is a tiny game compared to OOTP. You can't do no where near as much with BM as you can with OOTP. To me its made for fans that want to hurry up and play a season. Plus there are less stats to follow so not as much info. I also don't think there is as much to do as far as being a GM then just simming.

OOTP is challenging to even OOTP veterans. There are so many things in this game to do and at times it can be overwhelming. OOTP Veterans will say the best OOTP game is OOTP 6.51. I might agree with them because to me OOTP 6.51 a heck of a lot simplier. OOTP 2007 IMO is not for the new fan, unless you have played the other SI games.

Final Verdict:

I first played Season Ticket baseball and then went to BM. I played BM for about 3 years and then I tried OOTP 6. Once I tried OOTP 6 I could never go back to BM just because it lacked a lot of the features I had in OOTP 6. Both games have there advantages over the others. BM is faster but OOTP 2007 is more indepth. BM is easier and OOTP is Harder. I say download the demos of both and judge for yourself. But I honestly think OOTP is better. I still think OOTP 6.51 is one of the best games ever but the new OOTP is coming along great and I have high hopes for it.

Also the creatures of both games are very helpfull and listen to there fans so as far as support for both games go, they both get an A+.

Hope this helps

magnet · 05-26-2007, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Vedros

I was and it didn't edit.

You were in commish mode and you couldn't edit ratings? Was there an Editor tab?

DougWyatt · 05-26-2007, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

Guess you havent' read the thread lately. I never understood why if someone posts on two forums for competitors their instantly a "plant". Ah well, what can you do.

Basically this post sums it up best IMO:

Two games for two market segments. It just depens on what your after. My first baseball SIM was MOgul back in the early 2000's, but for me I foudn it limiting. Others find OOTP too much. That's the beauty of it, you have a selection for what you're after.

A plant ? That's kinda funny.

I was nothing but honest, I even started the post saying I was a faithful, longtime OOTPer & was considering trying BM.

George Vedros · 05-28-2007, 10:27 PM

You were in commish mode and you couldn't edit ratings? Was there an Editor tab?

Yes, there was an editor's tab. I don't have the demo anymore. Someone said the scouting option had to be turned off to edit. Is that correct?

Thanks...

Curtis · 05-29-2007, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Vedros

Someone said the scouting option had to be turned off to edit. Is that correct?

I can't speak specifically for historical universes, but that's not true for fictional, and I can't think of a reason why the two should be different.

I think you've probably gotten as much help in this thread as you're likely to. I suggest you try summarizing your part of this, the responses you've gotten (and your responses to the responses), and start a thread of your own down in the Technical Support section of the forum. They may be better equiped to help you down there.

05-15-2007, 02:08 AM	#1
Tater Bat Boy Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5	OOTP 2007 Vs. Baseball Mogul 2008 I am considering purchasing either Baseball Mogul 2008 or OOTP 2007. I am looking to get input on both games (and figure that I will get more OOTP info here and more Mogul info on that site -- at least of a positive nature!). I am a DMB veteran of some 7-8 years and thoroughly enjoy that game. I am not looking for a replacement for Diamond Mind, but rather a different game to play in addition to it. The more input/information I can get about both Baseball Mogul 2008 as well as OOTP 2007, the more informed decision I should be able to make. One final note...of those who play in DMB leagues I am in and who commented on the two games I am considering purchasing, most seemed to suggest that BM 2008 is really little more than Out of the Park 2007 lite. Is that a fair assessment of the two games? Thanks ahead of time to anyone who can offer me some useful information that will help me make the right choice.

05-15-2007, 02:23 AM	#2
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	OOTP is a nice change of pace from DMB. Those are the only two baseball games I play these days, and I try them all. The fun thing is that the games have contrasting strengths and weaknesses. DMB has the best gameplay and the best play by play in the business, but you have to pay a fortune for season disks, and there's no career play or customization. IMO, OOTP is the greatest game in the world until the game starts. It's incredibly deep, allows a ton of visual customization that adds a lot to the game, and has a terrific community that takes advantage of the customization. The gameplay and play by play have improved a lot in the last year, but still could use more work. And there aren't any season disks to buy with OOTP, meaning you have only one investment to make to replay any season from 1901 to 2006. OOTP also allows you to be a general manager and handle team rosters in a way DMB doesn't. It can get a bit overwhelming, but there are plenty of good people around who are happy to answer questions. I didn't buy Mogul 2008, but I've bought previous versions, and it's hard to imagine that the game could have improved enough to deliver anywhere close to the experience OOTP provides. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

05-15-2007, 04:31 AM	#6
cochrane Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 180	I've played both Baseball Mogul and OOTP and hands down, I love OOTP way better. The ability to really dive into the stats coupled with a superior interface puts OOTP above the competition. I own multiple licenses for OOTP so I can play it on every computer I own. I've played BM for years and this year I had a choice: I could buy both BM and OOTP or 2 licenses for OOTP... I went with the 2 licenses because I just got more out of OOTP. -- ZC __________________ Dyansty Threads Golden State Baseball League (1988) [Current] I've Got a Giant Attitude (2007) [Current] Hope Station Giants (2130, Science-Fiction) [Defunct] Online Leagues I'm retired from online leagues. Sorry.

05-15-2007, 07:58 AM	#7
CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,995	With OOTP2007 I have a universe that includes the real majors, the real minors, most of the real indy leagues, the Mexican League, the Japanese Leagues, the Korean and Taiwan Leagues, several European Leagues, a fictional third major league (The Continental League), several fictional affiliated minors, a handful of fictional indy leagues, a league on the islands of Sao Tome and Principe, and several real and fictional winter leagues. They all interact, they all are part of the same simulation, and they all have access to the same free agent pool. They have finances similar to what they'd be in the real world, with big major league teams having payrolls over $100M, and small indy league teams with average salaries under $1k. When the mood strikes me, I can go look up the height, weight, facial characteristics, and batting average against lefties with runners in scoring position and two outs for the backup second baseman on the Alert Desolation of the Greenland Winter Ice Baseball League. Then in a couple of clicks I can trade him to the Cleveland Indians for Casey Blake, freeing up space to put the Indians' new Rule 5 draftee on the roster. There's no other game or sim in the history of either baseball or computers that lets you do 1/10th of that, and my example is just one tiny fraction of what's possible in OOTP. __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com

05-15-2007, 04:26 PM	#9
texasmame All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Planet Texas Posts: 1,565	I tried OOTP 2007 and BM 2008 as replacements for my much beloved but now defunct Baseball for Windows. OOTP won pretty easily. __________________ Stewarding the expansion TAIWAN EXPLOSIVE GO SALMON in the NL West. As the defending NL West Champions, the SALMON fall to the wildcard Dakota Rushmores in the first round in seven games.

05-15-2007, 02:32 AM	#3
rdklein All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The other side. Posts: 771	I never played BM... you can't go wrong with ootp, though. It's solid. A good 2007 roster set is what ootp currently lacks... you can play with a few 2007 sets, but they are works in progress. I was disappointed I didn't have an 2007 set when the season started (I prefer playing with current rosters), but there is so much to this game as far as both fictional and historic replays that have kept me from shelving it until a roster comes out. ootp is a badass game... I don't regret buying it at all.

05-15-2007, 03:18 AM	#5
DougWyatt All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,117	While I've never played BM, I did consider it once. About a month ago, I got a buzz on and read something on here bashing BMs engine, but praising it's "look". So, I decided to do a little investigating. I looked at some screenies, did a little reading, and posted on their forum. I was very unimpressed. Especially with my post. I went onto "their turf", and basically said .. "Hey, potential customer here, I play OOTP, and thought about BM too, is this game good ?" --- I got 3 responces. 1 was some cat pushing his "skin", the other 2 said .. "OOTP & BM are good games, get 'em both". Here is said thread. That said. I HIGHLY recommend OOTP. It is amazing. You are in complete control of any world you want. You can basically set up any kind of baseball you want to. A small college league, a massive world universe with leagues in multiple countries ... and everything in between. You can go the "real" route as well. Current rosters - check. Teams/rosters from ANY year (post 1900) - check (with amazing accuracy). It is an awesome game.

05-15-2007, 04:48 PM	#10
Essekks Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 66	Considered Both 2 weeks ago, I was asking myself the same question. I had played previous versions of Baseball Mogul and kind of grew tired of it. Because of the free 21 day trial of OOTB, I figured I'd try it out and see how into it I got. Needless to say, I am purchasing OOTB without giving Mogul a 2nd thought. My recomendation is to do the same: Download the trial of OOTB (it is full-featured), get the historical database and a few MODS and play around with it. You can skim the 500+ page manual as you try things out and be sure to take advantage of all the info posted on these forums. You will know in a few days if this game is for you.

05-17-2007, 04:12 PM	#11
Babrook Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 59	You should atleast try both, they are different games- OOTP- Heavy on detail, sometimes too detailed. BM- Very simple, sometimes too simple. I tend to have more fun with BM08, but OOTP is still a blast. Get both, IMO.

05-21-2007, 04:39 PM	#12
George Vedros Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 14	I didn't buy OOTP because I could never edit players. I tried the demo and Johnny Bench was rated a slightly above average defensive catcher in 1972. That doesn't work for me.

05-26-2007, 07:01 AM	#15
George Vedros Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 14	I was and it didn't edit.

05-26-2007, 10:48 AM	#16
AirmenSmith Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Corpus Christi TX Posts: 2,090	The OP probably already bought one of the 2 games by now but here is my take on Baseball mogul and OOTP 2007. Its short and to the point IMO Baseball mogul is easier out of the two. Thats good and bad. Its good because if your new to this type of game then BM will be easy to understand. Also BM is faster and can sim more seasons. Now the reason OOTP is good. The amount of features is well all I can say is "Holy Cow". There are so many things you can do with this game is unbelievable. Now the bad: BM is a tiny game compared to OOTP. You can't do no where near as much with BM as you can with OOTP. To me its made for fans that want to hurry up and play a season. Plus there are less stats to follow so not as much info. I also don't think there is as much to do as far as being a GM then just simming. OOTP is challenging to even OOTP veterans. There are so many things in this game to do and at times it can be overwhelming. OOTP Veterans will say the best OOTP game is OOTP 6.51. I might agree with them because to me OOTP 6.51 a heck of a lot simplier. OOTP 2007 IMO is not for the new fan, unless you have played the other SI games. Final Verdict: I first played Season Ticket baseball and then went to BM. I played BM for about 3 years and then I tried OOTP 6. Once I tried OOTP 6 I could never go back to BM just because it lacked a lot of the features I had in OOTP 6. Both games have there advantages over the others. BM is faster but OOTP 2007 is more indepth. BM is easier and OOTP is Harder. I say download the demos of both and judge for yourself. But I honestly think OOTP is better. I still think OOTP 6.51 is one of the best games ever but the new OOTP is coming along great and I have high hopes for it. Also the creatures of both games are very helpfull and listen to there fans so as far as support for both games go, they both get an A+. Hope this helps

05-28-2007, 10:27 PM	#19
George Vedros Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 14	You were in commish mode and you couldn't edit ratings? Was there an Editor tab? Yes, there was an editor's tab. I don't have the demo anymore. Someone said the scouting option had to be turned off to edit. Is that correct? Thanks...