Topps Bunt cards are NOT Historical

revmcgator · 10-25-2022, 09:21 PM

Come on, guys. When I spend 10k to get a historical pack, I expect historical cards, i.e. NOT cards from 2022. This is a fail.

Ty Cobb · 10-25-2022, 09:55 PM

Really? Seems like a 10-14k sale to me. Easy money...

Tinkerman · 10-26-2022, 08:47 AM

They are more like a glorified live card than anything else, though. Could have been rare replacements for the overly-numerous live cards. A bit like LE 100s being a rare replacement for a non-live diamond pull.

revmcgator · 10-26-2022, 09:22 AM

Whether I can flip it or not is irrelevant. It's not a historical card.

Fabtron7 · 10-26-2022, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by revmcgator

Whether I can flip it or not is irrelevant. It's not a historical card.

"Historical" and "Live" cards only really refer to the pull rates, with is a 3 to 1 ratio of Live cards to historicals. Anything that isn't a live series cards is considered historical.

Also for the price you can sell that TOPPS card for you can buy a handful of truly useless and cheap historical cards, so win-win!

HondoLane · 10-26-2022, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fabtron7

"Historical" and "Live" cards only really refer to the pull rates, with is a 3 to 1 ratio of Live cards to historicals. Anything that isn't a live series cards is considered historical.

Also for the price you can sell that TOPPS card for you can buy a handful of truly useless and cheap historical cards, so win-win!

This thread cracked me up. I'm over here pulling thousands of packs on the hunt for Topps Bunt cards, and this guy is unhappy with pulling one

It's not just about being a high value pull, either. For lowD and highD tourneys, and a few of the golds, some of these are the best cards in the entire game for their position/level. All the top cards are OOTP Era tourney killers.

This complaint works a LOT better for Future Legends. They are not 'historical,' technically, and they are entirely unusable. For Topps Bunt the complaint falls flat on every level: they are worth more and perform better than normal historical cards.

Magus978 · 10-26-2022, 02:38 PM

They're still non-live. I don't mind them being in historical packs. Were the live POTM cards available in historical packs last game? If so, then it makes enough sense for me.

HRBaker · 10-26-2022, 05:07 PM

Makes no sense to me that they are Historical. Period. Every other 2022 player is "LIVE" and so are the Topps cards.

Stanley Kuppchaser · 10-26-2022, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by revmcgator

Whether I can flip it or not is irrelevant. It's not a historical card.

Exactly. Anybody who needs an explanation as to why someone would want to get what they paid for, probably doesn't care that much about it, and doesn't want it explained. That's fine for them, but if one pays for an historical pack, that is what one should get. Anything else is a(nother) fail.

HondoLane · 10-26-2022, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanley Kuppchaser

Exactly. Anybody who needs an explanation as to why someone would want to get what they paid for, probably doesn't care that much about it, and doesn't want it explained. That's fine for them, but if one pays for an historical pack, that is what one should get. Anything else is a(nother) fail.

What I'm hearing...

"Darn it! This isn't a historical gold! Now I have to MAKE 5K profit and buy another historical pack! AHHGHGSEFDSGJSGSG!"

You spend 10K and you get a card worth 15K... the solution is so obvious it's comical, right? I mean, sell the card you're unhappy about getting for a nice PROFIT and buy another historical pack. You're very unlikely to be lucky enough to pull another Topps card, but if you were, rinse and repeat. Talk about making a problem out of nothing

Fabtron7 · 10-26-2022, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HondoLane

What I'm hearing...

"Darn it! This isn't a historical gold! Now I have to MAKE 5K profit and buy another historical pack! AHHGHGSEFDSGJSGSG!"

You spend 10K and you get a card worth 15K... the solution is so obvious it's comical, right? I mean, sell the card you're unhappy about getting for a nice PROFIT and buy another historical pack. You're very unlikely to be lucky enough to pull another Topps card, but if you were, rinse and repeat. Talk about making a problem out of nothing

This is obviously just someone's hill to die on.

HondoLane · 10-26-2022, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fabtron7

This is obviously just someone's hill to die on.

LOL, true.

Ty Cobb · 10-26-2022, 09:21 PM

Today is a good day to die.

HRBaker · 10-26-2022, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HondoLane

What I'm hearing...

"Darn it! This isn't a historical gold! Now I have to MAKE 5K profit and buy another historical pack! AHHGHGSEFDSGJSGSG!"

You spend 10K and you get a card worth 15K... the solution is so obvious it's comical, right? I mean, sell the card you're unhappy about getting for a nice PROFIT and buy another historical pack. You're very unlikely to be lucky enough to pull another Topps card, but if you were, rinse and repeat. Talk about making a problem out of nothing

The issue isn't monetary. The issue is do the definitions used in the game mean anything ? The pack isn't called "Historic plus some Topps BUNT cards". A pack defined as historical cards should have ONLY players that have retired. It just seems to me totally wrong to start mixing packs with cards that are not part of the definition. Why not distribute "Future Legends" in the Historical packs if it doesn't matter ?

Maybe I'm one of the few that feels this way, but it just seems wrong to me.

Olinorth · 10-26-2022, 11:10 PM

Do the cards stats change based on player performance?

Yes? Then it's Live

No? Then it's not live. It's a card with static stats based on some past period of the player's career.

Oxford definition of Historical: of or concerning history; concerning past events.

Is it what I imagine when I think about a "Historical" baseball card? No

but it's technically correct, the best kind of correct.

HondoLane · 10-27-2022, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HRBaker

The issue isn't monetary. The issue is do the definitions used in the game mean anything ? The pack isn't called "Historic plus some Topps BUNT cards". A pack defined as historical cards should have ONLY players that have retired. It just seems to me totally wrong to start mixing packs with cards that are not part of the definition. Why not distribute "Future Legends" in the Historical packs if it doesn't matter ?

Maybe I'm one of the few that feels this way, but it just seems wrong to me.

Future Legends are in historical packs.... have been for three years at least, I believe. 'Historical' packs have always been 'Non-live' packs. You could pull the POTM cards in historical packs in previous years also. I do understand where you're coming from if it's a surprise to you; I guess I've just known for a couple years that the current year non-live cards were also in the historical packs.

HondoLane · 10-27-2022, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Olinorth

Do the cards stats change based on player performance?

Yes? Then it's Live

No? Then it's not live. It's a card with static stats based on some past period of the player's career.

Oxford definition of Historical: of or concerning history; concerning past events.

Is it what I imagine when I think about a "Historical" baseball card? No

but it's technically correct, the best kind of correct.

This was a pretty great response. Cheers

Tinkerman · 10-27-2022, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Olinorth

No? Then it's not live. It's a card with static stats based on some past period of the player's career.

Does anyone know where the Topps cards get their stats from?

Stanley Kuppchaser · 10-27-2022, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Olinorth

Do the cards stats change based on player performance?

Yes? Then it's Live

No? Then it's not live. It's a card with static stats based on some past period of the player's career.

Oxford definition of Historical: of or concerning history; concerning past events.

Is it what I imagine when I think about a "Historical" baseball card? No

but it's technically correct, the best kind of correct.

Well then, technically, all the cards are historical, now that the season is over.

Fabtron7 · 10-27-2022, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Stanley Kuppchaser

Well then, technically, all the cards are historical, now that the season is over.

There you go... if you're going to be mad about something it's that EVERY pack should be called a historical pack.

Viva La Revolution!

10-25-2022, 09:21 PM	#1
revmcgator All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: SW Florida Posts: 1,242	Topps Bunt cards are NOT Historical Come on, guys. When I spend 10k to get a historical pack, I expect historical cards, i.e. NOT cards from 2022. This is a fail. __________________

10-25-2022, 09:55 PM	#2
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 3,960 Blog Entries: 67	Really? Seems like a 10-14k sale to me. Easy money... __________________ “What’s the most you ever lost on a coin toss?” “Everyone is an atheist until Templars begin marching in the rain.” Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder. It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.—Thomas Sowell "Alinsky works for me now."

10-26-2022, 02:38 PM	#7
Magus978 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind you. BOO! Posts: 1,861	They're still non-live. I don't mind them being in historical packs. Were the live POTM cards available in historical packs last game? If so, then it makes enough sense for me. __________________ OOTP Streamer Affiliate who is also your FINAL BOSS. http://twitch.tv/GanbaMagus

10-26-2022, 09:21 PM	#13
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 3,960 Blog Entries: 67	Today is a good day to die. __________________ “What’s the most you ever lost on a coin toss?” “Everyone is an atheist until Templars begin marching in the rain.” Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder. It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.—Thomas Sowell "Alinsky works for me now."

10-26-2022, 08:47 AM	#3
Tinkerman All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 1,830	They are more like a glorified live card than anything else, though. Could have been rare replacements for the overly-numerous live cards. A bit like LE 100s being a rare replacement for a non-live diamond pull.

10-26-2022, 09:22 AM	#4
revmcgator All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: SW Florida Posts: 1,242	Whether I can flip it or not is irrelevant. It's not a historical card.

10-26-2022, 05:07 PM	#8
HRBaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,095	Makes no sense to me that they are Historical. Period. Every other 2022 player is "LIVE" and so are the Topps cards.

10-26-2022, 11:10 PM	#15
Olinorth Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 18 Blog Entries: 1	Do the cards stats change based on player performance? Yes? Then it's Live No? Then it's not live. It's a card with static stats based on some past period of the player's career. Oxford definition of Historical: of or concerning history; concerning past events. Is it what I imagine when I think about a "Historical" baseball card? No but it's technically correct, the best kind of correct.