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10-28-2019, 06:53 AM | #1 |
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A random comment from someone got me thinking, "If I were to start a team from scratch and buy 100$ in points, how crazy of an offense could I build on a new team?"
So, here's the challenge: Build as good* of a team as you can on 175k PP. I'm going to throw some conditions too: -Everyone has to be listed at their current (approximate) auction house price, so you can't be like "I'm buying Ruth for 25k". Not everyone has to be on the auction house right now, but you gotta at least be close at their sale price -Everyone has to play at a position that they're listed for. So, you can use Bellinger at 1B or RF, but you can't play him at SS. Or even buy Jackie Robinson to play SS, even if he could train up there. -You're only buying your starting lineup, so 9 guys. I'll give you bonus credit if you don't spend all the 175 and have enough left over to buy some pitching or utility guys, but I'm not worried about that here -You also get bonus points if your players have some sort of defense. While the focus is on creating offense, and you're more than welcome to run out Carew at 2B, you're gonna be a better team if you have a LeMahieu or a Robinson playing up the middle if you can afford them. Enjoy! I'll post mine later |
10-28-2019, 08:51 AM | #3 |
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So how you wanna transfer that $100 to me?
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10-28-2019, 08:56 AM | #4 |
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I've probably dropped around a bill, over time.
Starting clean from scratch I'd do a better job of it, wasted some of that. But :shrug: no claim to perfection. I've made plenty of less-than-ideal choices, too. |
10-28-2019, 09:14 AM | #5 |
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I'll post my hypothetical later as well. An interesting exercise in team building in prospect here
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10-28-2019, 09:56 AM | #6 |
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I'm a little partial to the era I know so here I go. I will base it on WAR.
C- Piazza (1998) 8K PP (5.4 WAR) 1B- Carew (1977) 8K (9.7 WAR) 2B- Hornsby (1928 SE) 26k (8.8 WAR) 3B- Ron Santo (1964) 8K (8.9 WAR) SS - Ernie Banks (1958) 10K (9.3 WAR) LF Jim Rice (1978) 3K (7.6 WAR) CF- Fred Lynn (1979) 20K (8.9 WAR) RF- Ichiho Suzuki ((2004) 12K (9.2 WAR) DH- Carl Yazstremski (Legend) 80K (12.5 WAR 1967) 175,000 PP 80.3 WAR (8.9 WAR average) Lots of hitting, power is there, some speed. (I don't have pitching unless I get a deal in AH) |
10-28-2019, 10:01 AM | #7 |
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here is a quick idea i had seems to add up right
C 86 Smoky 14k 1st 89 Buck O'Neil 15k 2nd 97 Hornsby 26k 3rd 86 Pie Traynor 10k SS 91 Nomar 15k LF 96 AS McNeil 27k CF 89 Duffy 20k RF 87 Heilmann 7k DH 94 Sisler 40k 174k Just a quick review of what was on hand and could be priced sure there is better Last edited by klcs77; 10-28-2019 at 11:21 AM. |
10-28-2019, 10:29 AM | #8 |
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I swear, it's not a ploy to get people to spend
My first cut: Pos Player Cost C Burgess 14 1B Sisler 84 17 2B SE Horsnby 26 SS Nomar 15 3B Boggs 87 9 LF Yaz SE 31 CF Trout 45 RF Cruz 5 DH Heilman 7 I still have 6k left to spend, and don't see any obvious swaps on the list that make sense to me. Maybe swapping out Nomar, although I don't see much of a fit for anyone else. Not much speed, but I think Trout+Cruz are the only sub-80 contact bats in the lineup, but Trout can walk and both provide solid pop that a lot of the other guys in the lineup are lacking. |
10-28-2019, 01:24 PM | #9 |
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Typing this on my phone, so no prices...but this, as promised, is my hypothetical
C - Mike LaValliere (69) 1B - Daniel Murphy (78?) 2B - Johnny Pesky (84) SS - Dick Groat (78) 3B - Freddie Lindstrom (85) LF - Pete Rose (81) CF - Curt Flood (83, SE) RF - Ichiro Suzuki (74) DH - Tony Gwynn (80) Notice how cheap I've gone. The idea for me would be to stock up on good pitching with the rest of the points, putting a priority on advancement rather than offense. Training would be required in some spots. I believe you can do the entire offense for around 35-40k, saving 130k, give or take a few thousand, for effective pitching. Last edited by Magus978; 10-28-2019 at 08:39 PM. |
10-28-2019, 06:29 PM | #10 | |
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I don't necessarily agree with the limitations of sticking with rated defensive positions and only a starting 9, as I believe both are ways to effectively exploit market inequities that help meet the objectives of this experiment. While this will prevent me from reusing some players from my own Mustangs team (such as non-SE Cedeno in LF or a future 2B platoon of my current 1B and 3B - Perfect Joe Morgan and Peak Barry Larkin respectively), it doesn't negate the value or the attractiveness of the exercise. If anything, it will help me further analyze my team, the Mustangs, who took this exact approach to team building and see how successful I actually was with it. I'll post my theoretical team here later in a separate post once I'm able to do the due diligence that this exercise deserves
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10-28-2019, 06:54 PM | #11 |
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I am going to play the park factors on this one since it is an important part of the game:
AVG LHB 1.100 AVG RHB 0.900 Doubles 1.500 Triples 1.500 Home Runs LHB 1.100 Home Runs RHB 0.900 ALL LEFTIES C Burgess (86) 13900 1B Carew (87) Peak 13750 2B McNeil (91) Live 1500 3B Boggs (87) 9449 SS John Henry Lloyd (91) 37000 LF Bellinger (100) Live 26500 CF Dykstra (91) 24750 RF Yelich (100) Live 32000 DH Gwynn (80) Peak 10000 Utility Cano (88) 2850 Utility Corey Seager (84) Live 1211 Utility Lavalliere (69) 500 Utility Ichiro Suzuki (68) 200 Utility Joc Pederson (84) 1190 Total 174800
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10-29-2019, 05:21 AM | #12 | |
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C Burgess (86) 13900 1B Carew (87) Peak 13750 2B McNeil (91) Live 4500 3B Boggs (87) 9449 SS John Henry Lloyd (91) 37000 LF Bellinger (100) Live 26500 CF Dykstra (91) 24750 RF Yelich (100) Live 32000 DH Gwynn (80) Peak 10000 Utility Corey Seager (84) Live 1211 Utility Lavalliere (69) 500 Utility Ichiro Suzuki (68) 200 Utility Joc Pederson (84) 1190 Total 174950
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10-29-2019, 12:23 PM | #13 |
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If I was starting at 175k PP at this stage in the game cycle, I would go with entirely LIVE cards. They're pretty cheap, and nearly always available on the AH due to their 70% drop rate. And the ratings are locked in now.
And you'd be in good shape for the LIVE-only tournaments about to be released. Win some rewards from tourneys to help build up your PP and collection. And the best part? If you want to go a different direction in the future, you can cash out for near your purchase price and start again. It'd look something like this: C: Yasmani Grandal (92) 1B: Cody Bellinger (100) 2B: DJ LeMahieu (94) 3B: Anthony Rendon (100) SS: Andrelton Simmons (75) LF: Juan Soto (94) CF: Mike Trout (100) RF: Christian Yelich (100) DH: Keston Hiura (89) |
10-29-2019, 06:31 PM | #14 | |
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I personally believe the cheapest, best offensive team is going to come from the types of cards that nobody cares for much. While this does include Live cards, it also includes a fair amount of Future Legends, POTMs and All Stars, Special Editions (where the possibility of earning instead of buying helps depress the price), and cards of players who have better or more popular cards. Here is a tentative list that includes rudimentary stats (formatted as one would find them on the Auction House), including the All Time and Last 7 bids (though only the latter, when available, will factor into the total cost). Additional talking points will be included where appropriate. Catcher PEAK C Biz Mackey (S) - 84 - 6.9k/9k 72/61/29/49/45 83/72/32/55/53 63/72/46 59@C This is a sound choice if you only need one catcher, but when does this game ever allow us to use only one catcher? If the ground rules for this exercise allowed for 2, I would probably platoon a lefty who is very strong against RHP with a righty or switch hitter who has more even splits (since they will play against RHP more than their counterpart will play against LHP) and who has better defense for use as a replacement, which seems to help with fatigue management some. One possible example for this type of setup would be the 84 OVR Mickey Cochrane and the 85 OVR Thurman Munson, which would go for slightly over 11k together based on their last 7's. Firstbase 1995 Edgar Martinez - 94 - 18.1k/17k 91/100/77/83/50 80/84/71/66/40 13/60/37 43@1B/20@3B Same approximate price as the 84 OVR Sisler, so I figure I'd highlight this alternative that sacrifices contact and speed for power and eye. This choice is also a solid example of a card who price is depressed because everyone seems to prefer Peak Edgar. There are also many solid gold choices that come in at lower price points, such as the new 89 OVR Ripper Collins for 6k. Secondbase FL Nick Madrigal - 89 - 4.5k/4k 79/73/35/72/79 71/69/34/71/74 67/75/77 70@2B I went back and forth over whether to go with Madrigal or the 95 OVR Chuck Knoblauch which goes for 14.3k. They are very similar, but the combination of having better eye and avoid k ratings, both of which I highly value, and being the only FL card to make my list - not to mention being 10k cheaper - ultimately tipped the scales. Peak Biggio (94 OVR) is also a solid competitor here, still going for 13k in spite of the new missions (and this looks legit and not a case of the last 7 not yet catching up). Thirdbase 1964 Ken Boyer - 91 - 7.3k/7.3k 71/90/61/64/54 79/72/76/52/58 18/47/38 59@3B (59/59/72/53) I was expecting to choose the Gold Special Edition Madlock, but I haven't been able to locate one to confirm the stats or the price point. The 95 OVR Honus Wagner for 25k who carries a rating at 3B also has some appeal here. Shortstop POTM SS Bo Bichette - 90 - 9k/9k 84/110/75/43/38 77/104/72/41/35 56/71/59 63@SS (81/55/64/63) SS and CF both come at a premium, so it is a bit more difficult to find solid production without either thinking outside the box or finding a diamond in the rough, of which this card is the latter. Left Field POTM CF Mike Tauchman (L) - 82 - 5.8k/5k 75/95/64/52/40 85/108/68/56/45 70/69/57 19@LF/29@CF/17@RF Maybe I should have gone with Peak Tim Raines (87 OVR, 10.8k Last 7), but instead I decided to highlight an unusual card. Tauchman was given terrible defensive ratings, but a lack of training at all 3 OF positions masks his true ability. He trains up to about 75 in LF, 65 in RF, and 40 in CF. Thanks for depressing his OVR and his price, I guess... Center Field LIVE RF Mookie Betts - 96 - 10k/6.5k 76/69/73/72/66 69/76/70/70/56 72/83/96 48@CF Another premium position, but luckily the nicely balanced Betts comes with a rating here. He should get into the mid-60s here when fully trained. Right Field PEAK Tim Salmon - 96 - 29k/29k 96/63/83/91/45 91/78/78/73/39 9/13/6 58@RF I love this card. This probably isn't the best choice based on my criteria, but I want to highlight a card that, when it comes to offense, compares favorably to cards that go for twice this amount. The defense, base running, and maybe the avoid k will probably scare some off and depress the price though. Designated Hitter 1966 RF Frank Robinson - 95 - 11.5k/15k 77/75/89/77/45 75/72/87/62/44 21/61/27 45@LF/43@RF (50/87/36) Basically, the DH was a battle between everyone else I was considering for RF. While I went with Robinson, I could have easily opted for 94 OVR Gavvy Cravath (17k), 91 OVR Goose Goslin (11.5k), or even someone like an 86 OVR Magglio Ordonez (up to 7k now it appears). Edit: Or the ubiquitous 87 OVR Heilmann that is already on everyone's radar (and at 7k, deservedly so). Final Estimated Cost: 102.6k Points Without a comprehensive listing of every card available, their ratings, and their current selling prices, this is a very rough list. I guarantee there are places to improve on it, especially considering I restricted myself to using cards rated Gold or higher. I also went with a middle ground approach, so spending more money could yield a stronger offense, while spending less would leave more of the budget for depth and pitching. Hopefully, I succeeded in my ultimate goal of drawing attention to some productive cards currently overlooked and undervalued by the community.
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11-02-2019, 09:28 AM | #15 |
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If I started over with 175000 PP I would actually buy 175 packs and see what lineup I would get?
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Question: would this be just from the initial 175 packs, or would you be able to use points from selling the unused cards to buy more packs?
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11-03-2019, 09:50 AM | #17 |
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Buy more packs. Unless there is a glaring need that can be fixed easily through the AH.
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I should be able to recoup losses when the Dodgers missions come out with Nomo and Drysdale. That is, if there's anyone left playing the auction house in the dead period of winter between the World Series and the release of 21...
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