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Old 03-24-2014, 02:33 PM   #21
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And to me the peripherals means its not even a debate.

I literally count wins as nothing towards award voting, for me they shouldnt even exist as a pitcher stat.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:09 PM   #22
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Can we see the run support per game that each pitcher got? I think it's under one of the expanded stats as rs/g.
I'm looking for it but I'm not seeing it. Where it would it be exactly?
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:23 PM   #23
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Player 2 is probably the best pitcher, but player 3 deserved the Cy Young award because he had a more memorable season. Many people forget that awards are meant to award players for outstanding seasons and are not meant to evaluate who would be the best player to have on your team next year.

Besides, except for his ERA, Player 3 compares very favorably to player 2 and pitched a lot more innings.

I would also consider the home/road stats of the players, though. If any of these 3 pitched a whole lot better at home than the other guys, he'd get booted out of the discussion.

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Old 03-24-2014, 03:38 PM   #24
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There is no question in my mind that #3 WOULD win in real life.

It is also no question in my mind that #2 SHOULD win.


Wins are a team stat. I think it is fair to use them as a deciding factor, but in this case #2 is WAAAAY better than the others, so a 'deciding factor' should never come into it.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:52 PM   #25
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Definitely player 2.
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Old 03-24-2014, 04:46 PM   #26
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Player 2 is probably the best pitcher, but player 3 deserved the Cy Young award because he had a more memorable season. Many people forget that awards are meant to award players for outstanding seasons and are not meant to evaluate who would be the best player to have on your team next year.

Besides, except for his ERA, Player 3 compares very favorably to player 2 and pitched a lot more innings.

I would also consider the home/road stats of the players, though. If any of these 3 pitched a whole lot better at home than the other guys, he'd get booted out of the discussion.
Here is their Home and Road stats. Player 2 is on top with Player 3 on the bottom.
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:30 PM   #27
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I'm looking for it but I'm not seeing it. Where it would it be exactly?
Go on the player profile, click pitching stats, click view, then click "Expanded Stats". You should see it.
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:37 PM   #28
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Besides, except for his ERA, Player 3 compares very favorably to player 2 and pitched a lot more innings.
You can't really say "besides ERA". Player 2 allowed like 30 runs less in the whole season. That's sayin something to me.

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Many people forget that awards are meant to award players for outstanding seasons and are not meant to evaluate who would be the best player to have on your team next year.
Really gotta agree with this here.

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Old 03-24-2014, 05:40 PM   #29
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You can't really say "besides ERA". Player 2 allowed like 30 runs less in the whole season. That's sayin something to me.
Last I checked, runs allowed and ERA were sorta related.....and player 2 beats player 3 in ERA more than he beats him in runs allowed.....
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:41 PM   #30
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Last I checked, runs allowed and ERA were sorta related.....and player 2 beats player 3 in ERA more than he beats him in runs allowed.....
Well yeah I knew that haha I didn't mean for it to be read like that. My bad.
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Old 03-24-2014, 08:04 PM   #31
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Player 2 easy choice for me.
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Old 03-24-2014, 08:24 PM   #32
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I would pick player 2 also.
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:24 PM   #33
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I would pick player 3: Wins should not be the end-all, however 23 wins compared to 16 is a huge difference. Secondly, pitcher 3 has more innings; meaning he's more valuable to his team than the other 2. Finally, strikeouts are a huge factor; I would pick player 3 based on Ks alone.

Another factor that is missing in the attempt to preserve anonymity, is what team these players worked for. If a player pitched in a hitters' park like Coors Field, then naturally their ERA would be higher; conversely if a pitcher played in Petco, it would be much lower. Also, the second screenshot, showing H/A splits, sways me more in favor of pitcher 3; pitcher 2 didn't seem to be able to take his game on the road.
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:44 PM   #34
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I would pick player 3: Wins should not be the end-all, however 23 wins compared to 16 is a huge difference. Secondly, pitcher 3 has more innings; meaning he's more valuable to his team than the other 2. Finally, strikeouts are a huge factor; I would pick player 3 based on Ks alone.

Another factor that is missing in the attempt to preserve anonymity, is what team these players worked for. If a player pitched in a hitters' park like Coors Field, then naturally their ERA would be higher; conversely if a pitcher played in Petco, it would be much lower. Also, the second screenshot, showing H/A splits, sways me more in favor of pitcher 3; pitcher 2 didn't seem to be able to take his game on the road.

Yeah home/road stats make it a cinch that player 3 deserves the award. Player 2 was helped a TON by his home park.
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Old 03-25-2014, 01:43 AM   #35
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I would pick player 3: Wins should not be the end-all, however 23 wins compared to 16 is a huge difference. Secondly, pitcher 3 has more innings; meaning he's more valuable to his team than the other 2. Finally, strikeouts are a huge factor; I would pick player 3 based on Ks alone.

Another factor that is missing in the attempt to preserve anonymity, is what team these players worked for. If a player pitched in a hitters' park like Coors Field, then naturally their ERA would be higher; conversely if a pitcher played in Petco, it would be much lower. Also, the second screenshot, showing H/A splits, sways me more in favor of pitcher 3; pitcher 2 didn't seem to be able to take his game on the road.
Player 2 played for the Seattle Mariners (controlled by me) and Player 3 played for the Angels.

Side Note my Mariners went on to win the World Series this year.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:23 AM   #36
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Team records, positions and playoffs or not?
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Old 03-25-2014, 08:19 AM   #37
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I'd go with player 2, although the home/road split made me consider player 3 more closely than I otherwise would have.
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Old 03-25-2014, 09:32 AM   #38
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Player 3. Win column is significantly better than competition, ERA is average compared to #2, but he's clearly a clutch player that can dig deep when needed, and resilient to pitch as many innings as he did.
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Old 03-25-2014, 09:39 AM   #39
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The innings difference equates to a half-inning per game, or 1.5 outs. Not that significant when you look at it that way.
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Here is the final standings. Angels & Player 3 ended up losing the 1 game wild card playoff game to Texas.
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