Talk thirdy to me

enuttage · 02-10-2019, 11:41 AM

I've got about 5-6K PP to spend (depending on how many reserves I sell) and I need to upgrade at third as Harland Clift is underperforming for me. Or could wait till next season and save a couple thousand more.

This is a rich position, but I know not all players are created equal.

Have been looking at the following and don't see a ton of feedback about them. Curious about y'all's experiences...

- 89 Adrian Beltre
- 89 Chipper Jones (not loving the defense, though)
- 89 Ken Caminiti (like the switch hitting, though I seem to remember him being far better from one side or the other IRL)
- 84 Robin Ventura
- 87 Evan Longoria
- I thought there was a higher level than the 78 Brooks Robinson that I saw at one point as well.
- Any other suggestions.

Having a lot of fun in F2P grinding it out and trying to get promoted to Silver.

zrog2000 · 02-10-2019, 11:53 AM

I'd also consider Machado and Jose Ramirez. All I know is that I'd avoid most of the live cards, such as Turner, Rendon, Arenado, Bregman.

Orcin · 02-10-2019, 11:57 AM

I would rate 88 Buddy Bell ahead of all of those if your goal is defense. There is a gold Brooks Robinson (89 I think) with very good defense. Both of those cards are decent offensively and would be very good through gold level for sure.

Chipper or Caminiti are good choices for an offensive 3B. I am not sure about their platoon advantages but you can use Baseball Reference to get an idea. There is a gold George Brett that is very good too but doesn't hit LHP well. Same with the gold Wade Boggs.

zrog2000 · 02-10-2019, 11:59 AM

George Kell is another great bargain card.

enuttage · 02-10-2019, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zrog2000

I'd also consider Machado and Jose Ramirez. All I know is that I'd avoid most of the live cards, such as Turner, Rendon, Arenado, Bregman.

I am at the point where I ignore almost all Live cards except possibly relievers I know will perform well. I'm not a young man anymore, either, and although I still follow baseball, I like reminiscing about it more, I think.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orcin

I would rate 88 Buddy Bell ahead of all of those if your goal is defense. There is a gold Brooks Robinson (89 I think) with very good defense. Both of those cards are decent offensively and would be very good through gold level for sure.

Chipper or Caminiti are good choices for an offensive 3B. I am not sure about their platoon advantages but you can use Baseball Reference to get an idea. There is a gold George Brett that is very good too but doesn't hit LHP well. Same with the gold Wade Boggs.

Interesting. So Chicken Dinner Boggs couldn't hit lefties, eh? That means he must've been insane against righties.

Thanks for the additional recommends!

Quote:

Originally Posted by zrog2000

George Kell is another great bargain card.

Cool! Thank you.

Orcin · 02-10-2019, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enuttage

Interesting. So Chicken Dinner Boggs couldn't hit lefties, eh? That means he must've been insane against righties.

It's not that dramatic...

CON/GAP/PWR/EYE/AK
vs. LHP: 80/59/24/52/61
vs. RHP: 87/70/30/65/66

I don't have Brett's splits, but it was more pronounced IIRC.

Brooks Robinson 89 actually hits RHP better than LHP.

enuttage · 02-10-2019, 12:15 PM

Much lower cost 81 Graig Nettles is also interesting on "paper". Not sure if that translates, though.

bailey · 02-10-2019, 12:19 PM

Lots of shortstops can be trained at 3rd: Fernandez, Pesky, Simmons, Vizquel. They do well at all levels, too.

DonkeyKongSr · 02-10-2019, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enuttage

I am at the point where I ignore almost all Live cards except possibly relievers I know will perform well. I'm not a young man anymore, either, and although I still follow baseball, I like reminiscing about it more, I think.

Interesting. So Chicken Dinner Boggs couldn't hit lefties, eh? That means he must've been insane against righties.

Thanks for the additional recommends!

Cool! Thank you.

The only Live cards that clearly can stay on an elite Perfect League roster are Trout, Betts, and Treinan. Sale, deGrom, Diaz, and Doolittle can hang around for a bit on the non-elite PL teams. Other than these guys, non-Live cards are going to be the best choices for the long-term. Several elite teams don't have any Live pitchers, but almost everyone has Trout+Betts.

bobbycockstrong · 02-10-2019, 12:47 PM

Yeah I second Simmons trained at 3B. can get him relatively cheap, and if you are still trying to go from bronze to silver then Simmons should be decent through at least gold level for you. Will let you use some of that money to upgrade elsewhere.

CrazyWR · 02-10-2019, 12:51 PM

what kind of park do you have?

atabakin · 02-10-2019, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

The only Live cards that clearly can stay on an elite Perfect League roster are Trout, Betts, and Treinan. Sale, deGrom, Diaz, and Doolittle can hang around for a bit on the non-elite PL teams. Other than these guys, non-Live cards are going to be the best choices for the long-term. Several elite teams don't have any Live pitchers, but almost everyone has Trout+Betts.

Doolittle has been an elite LOOGY for me. Not so much if he has to face a righty.

DonkeyKongSr · 02-10-2019, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atabakin

Doolittle has been an elite LOOGY for me. Not so much if he has to face a righty.

I've had him as an Elite LOOGY, too, but it's like 20 innings a year the way the game works out on Lefty Specialist. And he's dead meat whenever the game ends up still putting him against a RH. I finally cut him and replaced him with nobody and my bullpen went from average to #1 in my conference.

atabakin · 02-10-2019, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

I've had him as an Elite LOOGY, too, but it's like 20 innings a year the way the game works out on Lefty Specialist. And he's dead meat whenever the game ends up still putting him against a RH. I finally cut him and replaced him with nobody and my bullpen went from average to #1 in my conference.

Yeah, only 92 batters faced in 43 games this season, leaving very little margin for error. Plus, only half were lefties, though he held them to a .071/.133/.071 line.

chazzycat · 02-10-2019, 01:31 PM

I picked up live Anthony Rendon for only about 4k and never looked back. He's been a very consistent player for me. 2-4 WAR every single year (at perfect level). So I'm sure he would be excellent in bronze...

He's not super specialized like some other players, just well-rounded with solid combination of offensive & defensive skills. The type of player just has a high floor and won't hurt your team even in a down BABIP year. Not sure why they are not very popular, but hey, it makes them cheap!

enuttage · 02-10-2019, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyWR

what kind of park do you have?

Lefty friendly hitters. Neutral on righties.

taz20075 · 02-10-2019, 02:07 PM

If you're looking to upgrade early on, Wallach is going for 300 and plays great defense. The biggest downside is his below average bat.

I've gotten 3 straight Great Gloves from him. He's been between 0 and 2.4 WAR in about 4 seasons.

5rings · 02-10-2019, 06:24 PM

I shot open my wallet when Schmidt 74 showed up, but for a 75 rated defender (which I have issue with for a 10 time gold glover), he's been Z negative 75 over 7 seasons. Load of crap if you ask me

Save your money.

CrazyWR · 02-10-2019, 07:41 PM

based on who is on the auction block right this minute, I'd say Eddie Mathews is your best bet. However, if 86 overall Brett s hows up, he's probably your answer in your price range.

enuttage · 02-10-2019, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyWR

based on who is on the auction block right this minute, I'd say Eddie Mathews is your best bet. However, if 86 overall Brett s hows up, he's probably your answer in your price range.

Mathews at SS is what I really want, but out of my price range ATM. 3B and SS are my big weaknesses right now. I took a flier on a good deal on a Terry Kennedy card beginning of the season for catcher and I have been VERY happy with that choice.

Third time I've made it to the playoffs with well over 100 wins only to see two 87-win teams face off in the World Series. NBD, but kinda frustrating that I know I won't see Silver again.

Anyway...that aside, my fav for 3B is that higher Robinson card, but Bell is in the auction house right now and I have the coin.

Not sure if I'm going to get any extra points after the WS to wait on Robinson showing up again...

02-10-2019, 12:15 PM	#7
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hill Country Posts: 2,409	Much lower cost 81 Graig Nettles is also interesting on "paper". Not sure if that translates, though. __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses "When you meet someone better than yourself, turn your thoughts to becoming his equal. When you meet someone not as good as you are, look within and examine your own self."

02-10-2019, 12:19 PM	#8
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,128	Lots of shortstops can be trained at 3rd: Fernandez, Pesky, Simmons, Vizquel. They do well at all levels, too. __________________

02-10-2019, 11:41 AM	#1
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hill Country Posts: 2,409	Talk thirdy to me I've got about 5-6K PP to spend (depending on how many reserves I sell) and I need to upgrade at third as Harland Clift is underperforming for me. Or could wait till next season and save a couple thousand more. This is a rich position, but I know not all players are created equal. Have been looking at the following and don't see a ton of feedback about them. Curious about y'all's experiences... - 89 Adrian Beltre - 89 Chipper Jones (not loving the defense, though) - 89 Ken Caminiti (like the switch hitting, though I seem to remember him being far better from one side or the other IRL) - 84 Robin Ventura - 87 Evan Longoria - I thought there was a higher level than the 78 Brooks Robinson that I saw at one point as well. - Any other suggestions. Having a lot of fun in F2P grinding it out and trying to get promoted to Silver. __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses "When you meet someone better than yourself, turn your thoughts to becoming his equal. When you meet someone not as good as you are, look within and examine your own self." Last edited by enuttage; 02-10-2019 at 09:41 PM.

02-10-2019, 11:53 AM	#2
zrog2000 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,335	I'd also consider Machado and Jose Ramirez. All I know is that I'd avoid most of the live cards, such as Turner, Rendon, Arenado, Bregman.

02-10-2019, 11:57 AM	#3
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	I would rate 88 Buddy Bell ahead of all of those if your goal is defense. There is a gold Brooks Robinson (89 I think) with very good defense. Both of those cards are decent offensively and would be very good through gold level for sure. Chipper or Caminiti are good choices for an offensive 3B. I am not sure about their platoon advantages but you can use Baseball Reference to get an idea. There is a gold George Brett that is very good too but doesn't hit LHP well. Same with the gold Wade Boggs.

02-10-2019, 11:59 AM	#4
zrog2000 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,335	George Kell is another great bargain card.

02-10-2019, 12:47 PM	#10
bobbycockstrong Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 178	Yeah I second Simmons trained at 3B. can get him relatively cheap, and if you are still trying to go from bronze to silver then Simmons should be decent through at least gold level for you. Will let you use some of that money to upgrade elsewhere.

02-10-2019, 12:51 PM	#11
CrazyWR All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 549	what kind of park do you have?

02-10-2019, 01:31 PM	#15
chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	I picked up live Anthony Rendon for only about 4k and never looked back. He's been a very consistent player for me. 2-4 WAR every single year (at perfect level). So I'm sure he would be excellent in bronze... He's not super specialized like some other players, just well-rounded with solid combination of offensive & defensive skills. The type of player just has a high floor and won't hurt your team even in a down BABIP year. Not sure why they are not very popular, but hey, it makes them cheap!

02-10-2019, 02:07 PM	#17
taz20075 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 38	If you're looking to upgrade early on, Wallach is going for 300 and plays great defense. The biggest downside is his below average bat. I've gotten 3 straight Great Gloves from him. He's been between 0 and 2.4 WAR in about 4 seasons.

02-10-2019, 06:24 PM	#18
5rings Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 34	I shot open my wallet when Schmidt 74 showed up, but for a 75 rated defender (which I have issue with for a 10 time gold glover), he's been Z negative 75 over 7 seasons. Load of crap if you ask me Save your money.

02-10-2019, 07:41 PM	#19
CrazyWR All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 549	based on who is on the auction block right this minute, I'd say Eddie Mathews is your best bet. However, if 86 overall Brett s hows up, he's probably your answer in your price range.