Problems With Historical Facegen

PhillieFever · 07-18-2011, 10:29 AM

I've wrestled back and forth about saying anything because I know how much work must have been done in order to get this project completed, but in the end I felt it wouldn't be fair to those who did the work if I didn't mention what I've been seeing. I tried to implement the Historical facegen into my 1962 historical league, and I found major problems with the set. On every team there are at least 10 players or so who have a ghoulish dead body look, complete with blue skin. It's so bad and so rampant, that in the end I found the set unusable. This comment was not in any way made to downplay the work that you did, it was made so that hopefully it could be improved in the future.

Chicagofan76 · 07-18-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillieFever

I've wrestled back and forth about saying anything because I know how much work must have been done in order to get this project completed, but in the end I felt it wouldn't be fair to those who did the work if I didn't mention what I've been seeing. I tried to implement the Historical facegen into my 1962 historical league, and I found major problems with the set. On every team there are at least 10 players or so who have a ghoulish dead body look, complete with blue skin. It's so bad and so rampant, that in the end I found the set unusable. This comment was not in any way made to downplay the work that you did, it was made so that hopefully it could be improved in the future.

Not disagreeing with you, but why don;t you load the player into Facegen Modeller and change his color? I do that all the time, takes 2 secs.

PhillieFever · 07-18-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

Not disagreeing with you, but why don;t you load the player into Facegen Modeller and change his color? I do that all the time, takes 2 secs.

I've never had any luck with the facegen modeller, for whatever reason the spot where the head is supposed to be always remains empty so I can't edit anything. Not to mention we're talking about 100+ players

Chicagofan76 · 07-18-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillieFever

I've never had any luck with the facegen modeller, for whatever reason the spot where the head is supposed to be always remains empty so I can't edit anything. Not to mention we're talking about 100+ players

hmm ok...if you want you can post the names of the players or screenshot and i will try to modify them the best i can and post them in a zip for you. Note: not all players will look significantly better some will.

scott1964 · 07-18-2011, 11:05 PM

I have the same problem, most of the guys in 1892 looks like ghouls.

Gambo · 07-19-2011, 10:22 AM

The issue is simply that alot of the Facegens were done using Black and White Photos instead of color mostly due to the unavailability of color photos.

I tried to colorize the facegen in the ones I did but we had multiple contributors and unfortunately some did a better job than others. Also, there were over 17,000 photos to due and checking each one by one was nearly impossible.

As I play through these years I will likely adjust many of these to better color as I come across them. Since the actual facegen process is done it does take just a couple of seconds. If somebody was to submit better colored versions of these files it would be easy to implement them.

Chicagofan76 · 07-19-2011, 02:27 PM

I might try to get to some, but i plan on redoing 1 of my leagues from scratch so I cant guarantee how many i will get to over the next 2-3 weeks, after that i might try to tackle players 1902 - 1969ish. I am stuck in 1902 in my historical league.

If anybody wants to post say 10-50 names at a time i can easily pul those up and redo then and repost them.

PhillieFever · 07-19-2011, 05:38 PM

OK, I'll take you up on your offer. I'm going to go team by team starting in 1962 which is they year I'm in in my dynasty. Expect the first batch sometime tonight.

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 07:36 AM

Here ya go, here's the 1962 Phillies that need fixin'

Bobby Malkmus
Frank Sullivan
Bobby Locke
Johnny Callison
Wes Covington
Mel Roach
Don Demeter
Billy Klaus
Roy Sievers
Sammy White
Bob Oldis
Dallas Green
Bill Smith
Chris Short

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 07:49 AM

Here's the Orioles

Dick Luebke
Art Quirk
Gus Triandos
Russ Snyder
Ron Hanson
Marv Breeding
Jim Gentile
Hoyt Wilhelm
Dave McNally
Billy Hoeft
Dick Hall
Robin Roberts
Milt Pappas

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 07:57 AM

The Red Sox

Chet Nichols Jr
Hal Kolstad
Mike Fornieles
Carroll Hardy
Dick Radatz
Billy Muffett
Arnold Earley
Ike Delock

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 08:08 AM

The White Sox

Sammy Esposito
Bob Roselli
Dom Zanni
Dean Stone
Al Worthington
Joe Shipley
Brian McCall
Bob Farley
Jim Landis
Mike Joyce
Early Wynn
Ray Herbert
John Buzhardt

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 08:20 AM

The Chicago Cubs

Jim McAnany
Danny Murphy
Moe Thacker
Don prince
Bob Will
Don Landrum
Elder White
Ron Santo
El Tappe
Al Lary
Jim Brewer
Bob Anderson
Don Cardwell
Bob Buhl

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 08:22 AM

The Cincinnati Reds

Dave Sisler
Wally Post
Joe Gaines
Don Blasingame
Hank Foiles
Johnny Edwards
John Tsitouris
Johnny Klippstein
Bill R Henry
Moe drabowsky

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 08:33 AM

The Cleveland Indians

Jack Kubiszyn
Bubba Phillips
Dave Tyriver
Herb Score
Jackie Collum
Ray Barker
Gene Green
Ty Cline
Willie Tasby
Al Luplow
Chuck Essegian
Woodie Held
Billy Moran
Mike de la Hoz
Ken Aspromonte
Bob Allen
Barry Latman
Mudcat Grant
John Romano

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 08:56 AM

The Detroit Tigers

Al Kaline
Joe Grzenda
Reno Bertoia
Doug Gallagher
Bill Faul
Jerry Casale
Paul Foytack
Coot Veal
Bobo Osborne
Steve Boros
Norm Cash
Ron Kline
Don Mossi
Frank Lary
Hank Aguirre

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 09:10 AM

The Houston Colts

Dick Drott
Jim Pendleton
Dave Giusti
Jim Busby
Bob Lillis
Billy Goodman
Norm Larker
Al Cicotte
Bob Bruce
Red Witt
Ken T Johnson

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 09:36 AM

The Kansas City Athletics

Hector Martinez
Rupe Toppin
Danny McDevitt
Gordon Jones
Jerry Walker
George Alusik
Charlie Shoemaker
Marlan Coughtry
Haywood Sullivan
Don F Williams

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 09:43 AM

The Los Angeles Dodgers

Duke Snider
Daryl Spencer
Andy carey
Jack Smith
Ed Roebuck
Stan Williams
Don Drysdale(minor skin flaw)

PhillieFever · 07-20-2011, 10:02 AM

The Los Angeles Angels

Bob Botz
Ron Moeller
Albie pearson
Lee Thomas
Gordie Windhorn
Joe Koppe
Ken Hamlin
Jim Fregosi
Eddie Yost
Billy Consolo
Tom Morgan
Ryne Duren
Dean Chance
Ted Bowsfield
Earl D Averill

07-18-2011, 10:29 AM	#1
PhillieFever Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Elk Twp. NJ Posts: 6,763	Problems With Historical Facegen I've wrestled back and forth about saying anything because I know how much work must have been done in order to get this project completed, but in the end I felt it wouldn't be fair to those who did the work if I didn't mention what I've been seeing. I tried to implement the Historical facegen into my 1962 historical league, and I found major problems with the set. On every team there are at least 10 players or so who have a ghoulish dead body look, complete with blue skin. It's so bad and so rampant, that in the end I found the set unusable. This comment was not in any way made to downplay the work that you did, it was made so that hopefully it could be improved in the future.

07-18-2011, 11:05 PM	#5
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,561 Blog Entries: 19	I have the same problem, most of the guys in 1892 looks like ghouls. __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

07-19-2011, 10:22 AM	#6
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	The issue is simply that alot of the Facegens were done using Black and White Photos instead of color mostly due to the unavailability of color photos. I tried to colorize the facegen in the ones I did but we had multiple contributors and unfortunately some did a better job than others. Also, there were over 17,000 photos to due and checking each one by one was nearly impossible. As I play through these years I will likely adjust many of these to better color as I come across them. Since the actual facegen process is done it does take just a couple of seconds. If somebody was to submit better colored versions of these files it would be easy to implement them. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

07-19-2011, 02:27 PM	#7
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	I might try to get to some, but i plan on redoing 1 of my leagues from scratch so I cant guarantee how many i will get to over the next 2-3 weeks, after that i might try to tackle players 1902 - 1969ish. I am stuck in 1902 in my historical league. If anybody wants to post say 10-50 names at a time i can easily pul those up and redo then and repost them.

07-19-2011, 05:38 PM	#8
PhillieFever Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Elk Twp. NJ Posts: 6,763	OK, I'll take you up on your offer. I'm going to go team by team starting in 1962 which is they year I'm in in my dynasty. Expect the first batch sometime tonight.

07-20-2011, 07:36 AM	#9
PhillieFever Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Elk Twp. NJ Posts: 6,763	Here ya go, here's the 1962 Phillies that need fixin' Bobby Malkmus Frank Sullivan Bobby Locke Johnny Callison Wes Covington Mel Roach Don Demeter Billy Klaus Roy Sievers Sammy White Bob Oldis Dallas Green Bill Smith Chris Short

07-20-2011, 07:49 AM	#10
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