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OOTP 16 - Historical Simulations Discuss historical simulations and their results in this forum. |
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04-04-2015, 04:41 PM | #1 |
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19th century players and errors
Just curious why, when I begin a league in the 19th century, all the players have such horrible error ratings?
I know in real life they made tons of errors. The fields sucked, some played without gloves, and scorers gave players an error every time they touched the ball but didn't get someone out, basically. Still, shouldn't the error ratings be compared to contemporaries, rather than compared to some absolute standard? The last version of the game I had, version 12, did it that way. Why the change? |
04-04-2015, 09:14 PM | #2 | |
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I don't think there has been any change. Players are rated according to how many errors players made in real life. And, as you note, players made a ton of errors in the 19th century. |
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04-05-2015, 12:20 AM | #3 |
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This approach does not work, though. All guys 125 years ago are bad fielders compared to today, yes, but they were not all bad compared to each other. Some were good, most average, and a few were bad then, too. To lump all of them into the category of "bad" with poor ratings means that if you played a replay of the 1885 season, for instance, they will all be about equally bad. That obviously was not true in 1885, any more than it would be today.
As I said in the first post, the last version of the game I bought, 12, did not rate players this way. That version had players with an error rating compared to each other, not compared to an absolute standard. |
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Only the last 3 (for OOTP16 that is 2012, 2013, 2014) years are recalculated for each version so Version 12's ratings are as they were in 12.
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04-05-2015, 02:51 PM | #5 |
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Is that what they teach at Bovine University?
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04-06-2015, 09:35 AM | #6 |
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04-06-2015, 02:16 PM | #8 |
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You also need to look at the other factor. Equipment or lack there of.
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04-06-2015, 02:27 PM | #9 |
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In OOTP they are all rated badly on Defense but rated excellent in speed. Sure even in RD they still get picked off 40 timers a season with 50 SB but they all run. Playing a modern era game vs pre 1900 guys on base is frustrating as a MGR.
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04-06-2015, 04:12 PM | #10 | |
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If this bothers some people that the ratings look low simply click show ratings compared to league average in global settings. Then the best ratings will be like 20/20 out of and the worst will be like 7/20. What I have noticed is over time you often find a lot more guys near the mean if you play without a draft. I always use historical player creation modifiers but I am not sure how big if any difference it makes. All my players in fictional games set in the 19th century have modern fielding ratings but they still make historical errors. For instance my Shortshop James Fitzgerald in 1871 had a .794 fielding pct with 51 errors over 31 games but had a fielding rate of 12. My SS in 1911 had a rating of 12 and had 56 errors over 135 games for a pct of .928. The modifiers are more important than fielding ratings. Last edited by Biggio509; 04-06-2015 at 04:17 PM. |
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04-06-2015, 08:33 PM | #11 |
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The reason random play works is that the ratings along with the modifiers for the year you are playing result in year appropriate stats. Barry Bonds just hit 14 HR's in 1886 and the number 2 guy had 8. In the other league Griffey lead with 11.
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04-07-2015, 06:46 PM | #12 | |
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04-07-2015, 10:15 PM | #13 |
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The ratings vary every year. Some years players might be betwixt .25 and 2.00 it just depends but a league average fielder will be right around 1.00 and that is per position. All individual fielding positions average 1.00 but SS might have a wider variance and 2B less so. It just depends. It takes a 600mb database to figure it and lots of other things out.
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