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Old 04-03-2015, 11:21 PM   #1
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Standings Not Accurate

Is this a limitation of the game, or a bug?
I've seen many times when the percentage
made the difference in the standings order, and the game has always shown it correctly.
But this time, the WSox should be in first place, and Detroit in second place.
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Old 04-03-2015, 11:26 PM   #2
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I'm guessing it is because the game ranks the teams in the standings by the "GB" statistic first and winning percentage 2nd which can yield incorrect results in cases where there are modest or large differences in the amount of games each team has played.
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So, the White Sox are in first place, a half game behind?.....how would you list that anyways.....I don't think you can complain about the way OOTP did it unless the season is over and they don't make the playoffs.....that would be an issue.....
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Old 04-04-2015, 12:04 AM   #4
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California has a half game lead over Chicago and Detroit. That simple.
Percentages are practically irrelevent in the standings.
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California has a half game lead over Chicago and Detroit. That simple.
Percentages are practically irrelevent in the standings.
Percentages are irrelevant expect for the fact hat they are the determining factor in who wins the championship.....
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Old 04-04-2015, 12:42 AM   #6
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So are you saying in the example above that Chicago should win the division if the season ended today?
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Old 04-04-2015, 12:47 AM   #7
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So, the White Sox are in first place, a half game behind?.....how would you list that anyways.....
You'd list the standings by winning percentage. Even if that means the team in first by winning percentage is technically a half-game behind the second-place club.

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So are you saying in the example above that Chicago should win the division if the season ended today?
Yes, Chicago would be the division winner due to its greater winning percentage. There is precedent for a club being a half-game behind yet still winning a division title due to its better winning percentage. It happened in the final first half standings of the 1978 Florida State League season. The final first half standings were as follows:
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NORTH DIVISION

St. Petersburgh  41 25 .621  ½
Winter Haven     45 28 .616  -
Tampa            43 28 .606  1
Lakeland         31 38 .449 12
Dunedin          29 43 .403 15½
Daytona Beach    21 48 .304 22

SOUTH DIVISION

Fort Myers       38 30 .559  -
Miami            38 35 .521  2½
Pompano Beach    35 36 .493  4½
Fort Lauderdale  35 37 .486  5
West Palm Beach  33 41 .446  8
Even though St. Petersburgh was a half-game behind Winter Haven it was nonetheless considered the first half North Division winner due to its superior winning percentage.

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So are you saying in the example above that Chicago should win the division if the season ended today?
In today's game they would not let that happen; they'd make Chicago play the games they are short.

But, yes, if there was no way the games could be made up, Chicago would be the champion.
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There is precedent for a club being a half-game behind yet still winning a division title due to its better winning percentage. It happened in the final first half standings of the 1978 Florida State League season
I am impressed, sir!

You found that one fast!
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I am impressed, sir!

You found that one fast!
Had that one handy as some time I ago I had perused through older online issues of The Sporting News looking for the first and second half standings in the minor leagues, as the main minor league reference sources usually only list the overall standings, not the standings for each half.
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My point to the OP is he may be too focused on the percentages and not the win-lost records. Is there any case precedence of that happening in MLB?

I believe OOTP is displaying the standings correctly.
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My point to the OP is he may be too focused on the percentages and not the win-lost records. Is there any case precedence of that happening in MLB?

I believe OOTP is displaying the standings correctly.
Best I can find for you is 1981 2nd half AL east standings lists Cleveland finishing ahead of NY even though they had the same "GB" stat. But winning percentage does take precedent in any case where it creates a different order of standings than "GB".
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The winning percentage has always been the correct way in determining the order of teams in the standings. Whether it's day ten, or the last game of the season. That stat could also used for determing other things, such as how many days in a row did a team hold first place. Now it's a few more games down the road, and look again. Now the WSox are in third, one less game played than the first place team. I find it odd.
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It seems that there might be an issue with the schedule when there is a 7 game difference in games played.
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I'll log it as a bug and we'll see what happens. Pretty minor, though, unless at the end of the season, GB is used to pick the champion.
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Best I can find for you is 1981 2nd half AL east standings lists Cleveland finishing ahead of NY even though they had the same "GB" stat. But winning percentage does take precedent in any case where it creates a different order of standings than "GB".
I understand the percentage is the final determining factor but I do not recall ever seeing it "leap frog" over the GB standings to determine the divisional or pennant winner in MLB. That is not saying it has never happened.

It is my understanding that is why OOTP and others list the standings the way they do.
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My point to the OP is he may be too focused on the percentages and not the win-lost records. Is there any case precedence of that happening in MLB?
Er, the win-loss records are what determine the winning percentages.

You won't find examples as clear as the FSL because the majors typically don't conclude its seasons with that large a discrepancy in games played to a decision between clubs, plus with the larger number of games played overall the more extreme situations tend to get evened out.

The closest example would be the 1915 Federal League season, where Chicago was tied with St. Louis in terms of games behind but won the league pennant due to its .566 winning percentage compared to St. Louis' .565 percentage. (Third place Pittsburgh finished a half-game behind and with a .562 winning percentage.)

A similar situation happened twice in the International League. In 1902 Toronto and Buffalo were tied for first in terms of games behind but Toronto won the pennant due to its 85-42 .669 record compared to Buffalo's 88-45 .662 record. In 1928 Buffalo was zero games behind Rochester but nevertheless finished second due to Rochester having the greater winning percentage: 90-74 .549 compared to Buffalo's 92-76 .548 record.

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Thanks Questdog.
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I understand the percentage is the final determining factor but I do not recall ever seeing it "leap frog" over the GB standings to determine the divisional or pennant winner in MLB. That is not saying it has never happened.

It is my understanding that is why OOTP and others list the standings the way they do.
Your understanding is incorrect. The papers back in the day when they actually reported on baseball would show the standings in order of winning percentage, not by how many games back a team was. It rarely was different but sometimes because of rain outs you'd see a team in first that was a half a game back.
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My point to the OP is he may be too focused on the percentages and not the win-lost records.
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Er, the win-loss records are what determine the winning percentages.
Thank you.
I meant to say "and not the GB standings".
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