Jamie Moyer.....

SandMan · 06-10-2010, 12:47 PM

This guy is simply amazing. I just noticed that he had his 100th career victory after his 40th birthday. He has 264 wins and has a legitimate chance to have 300 if he can pitch 3 more seasons. I don't know if he can do it but he would be 50 years old in 3 years......

Do any of you feel that this guy could possibly be a HOF pitcher with 300 wins? His overall stats are just normal but he has lasted a long time and longevity may allow him to get the 300 wins.

CBL-Commish · 06-10-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SandMan

This guy is simply amazing. I just noticed that he had his 100th career victory after his 40th birthday. He has 264 wins and has a legitimate chance to have 300 if he can pitch 3 more seasons. I don't know if he can do it but he would be 50 years old in 3 years......

Do any of you feel that this guy could possibly be a HOF pitcher with 300 wins? His overall stats are just normal but he has lasted a long time and longevity may allow him to get the 300 wins.

He was 164-125 before his age 40 season.

My favorite Moyer fun fact is that he faced Tony Perez, who also faced Warren Spahn, who played in 1942.

TribeFanInNC · 06-10-2010, 03:40 PM

If he gets in the 290-300 range, you would have to think he'll get in. There is certainly precedent for it (Niekro, Sutton, et al.). Assuming the recent retirees (Maddux, Rocket, Johnson, Glavine) are all future HOFers, Tommy John is the modern day leader in career wins without HOF entry at 288 followed by Bert Blyleven at 287. Certainly he needs to exceed those guys.

RchW · 06-10-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

He was 164-125 before his age 40 season.

My favorite Moyer fun fact is that he faced Tony Perez, who also faced Warren Spahn, who played in 1942.

Playing the 3 or 6 degrees of separation in Baseball is fun.

billethius · 06-10-2010, 05:16 PM

No. Moyer is a fantastic story, but hall he's done is win a lot of games by being a good pitcher for a very long time. He was never great - of if he was, it wasn't for long. I don't think he belongs and can't see him getting in regardless of his final win total.

CD1083 · 06-10-2010, 06:13 PM

If he picks up the magic 300, I think you have to take him seriously as a HOF. Something is to be said about longevity. His career may have not been flashy or sexy but if a guy can stay productive in the league for as long as he has and also reach a key mark in how we judge pithers, he has to be in the discussion.

Slackker · 06-10-2010, 06:17 PM

Jamie Moyer? Are you serious?

Three times in the top 10 voting for Cy Young. This is his 24th season.

Current career ERA of 4.21.

ONE-Time All Star. Again, this is his 24th season.

Usually these aren't huge categories for me, but when you add them all up.. and it looks like this.. that's not a Hall of Fame player.

CD1083 · 06-10-2010, 06:34 PM

Why is he still playing and other's his age not? You can't discount his ability to pitch.

IF he hits 300 and you discount him as a Hall of Famer you can't possibly understand the game.

I personally don't think he'll get there. He has to average over 12 wins over the next 3 years. I think he will pitch next year and that will be it. He'll end up with 275-280 and he'll be discussed every year around induction time and will even receive a few votes but never get in.

If he hits 300 though, he'll make it.

captaincarl · 06-10-2010, 06:58 PM

Both Tommy John and Bert Blyleven deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. With a career ERA of over 4.00, I would think that Moyer would definately need to get to 300 wins for even a chance. However, every member of the "300 club" is in the hall, or will be (recent retirees Randy Johnson, Greg Maddox, and (I think) Tom Glavine).

Left-handed Badger · 06-11-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

If he gets in the 290-300 range, you would have to think he'll get in. There is certainly precedent for it (Niekro, Sutton, et al.). Assuming the recent retirees (Maddux, Rocket, Johnson, Glavine) are all future HOFers, Tommy John is the modern day leader in career wins without HOF entry at 288 followed by Bert Blyleven at 287. Certainly he needs to exceed those guys.

No 300, no Hall. With less than 300 he'll just be another Tommy John.

TribeFanInNC · 06-11-2010, 07:54 AM

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No 300, no Hall. With less than 300 he'll just be another Tommy John.

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think you a right. Most of his peripherals are somewhat worse than John, Blyleven, Niekro, Sutton, et al. Particularly his ERA+ of 105.

SandMan · 06-11-2010, 08:10 AM

Moyer will need 3 years to get to 300 wins if he can win 8 more this year and win an average of about 9 wins a year for 3 years. With 300 wins he should get into the HOF or else he would be the first ever to win this amount without a HOF entry. I feel he could pitch for three more years, time will tell.

If he retires this year he will be remembered as a player who played a lot of years and was a consistent but not a great player.

TheRaven · 06-12-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SandMan

This guy is simply amazing. I just noticed that he had his 100th career victory after his 40th birthday.

Wow, so from 2003-2010, he amassed 164 wins in that time frame? He has been much more dominant than I thought.

Tony M · 06-12-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

With less than 300 he'll just be another Tommy John.

What medical condition would they give his name to then?

damientheomen3 · 06-12-2010, 01:24 PM

I feel bad for Tommy John. As far as I'm concerned, with Blyleven constantly bitching about not making it (although it is justified, as he deserves it), I don't think John has ever complained, and yet he has more wins then Blyleven and has a damn injury named after him. Isn't John also out of eligibility years for the HOF? The veteran's committee better get him in.

Prodigal Son · 06-12-2010, 11:49 PM

For Pete (Rose's?) sake, no. The guy was barely above average.

yankeesrule · 06-13-2010, 12:05 AM

If he made it, the only reason would be that he had the luck to stick around for 27 seasons to accumulate 300 wins. He only had 2 20-win seasons and 3 others with 15+. His career era will be somewhere in the 4.25+ if he lasts 3 more years. No knock on the guy, he's been a solid career guy but I wouldn't put him as a hall of famer.

KBLover · 06-13-2010, 12:07 AM

I'd like to see him just pitch when he's 50.

That alone would be sweet. I always thought Charlie Hough would have done it if he didn't get hurt.

I don't think he makes the Hall even if he makes it to 300 wins. Like someone earlier said, he'll probably be just considered "above average" and not make the cut.

Still a big Jamie Moyer fan, Hall or no.

mrcoach00 · 06-13-2010, 11:52 AM

Here's a thread with a poll that was started nearly two years ago on Moyer and his HOF chances.

click here

Goody · 06-13-2010, 10:22 PM

Its the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Stats Fitting Some Pre-Set Standard.

He's got a ton of fans. And his longevity is gaining him more and more as time goes on.

Its possible.

06-10-2010, 12:47 PM	#1
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	Jamie Moyer..... This guy is simply amazing. I just noticed that he had his 100th career victory after his 40th birthday. He has 264 wins and has a legitimate chance to have 300 if he can pitch 3 more seasons. I don't know if he can do it but he would be 50 years old in 3 years...... Do any of you feel that this guy could possibly be a HOF pitcher with 300 wins? His overall stats are just normal but he has lasted a long time and longevity may allow him to get the 300 wins.

06-10-2010, 06:58 PM	#9
captaincarl Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Barrington, RI Posts: 4,362	Both Tommy John and Bert Blyleven deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. With a career ERA of over 4.00, I would think that Moyer would definately need to get to 300 wins for even a chance. However, every member of the "300 club" is in the hall, or will be (recent retirees Randy Johnson, Greg Maddox, and (I think) Tom Glavine). Last edited by captaincarl; 06-10-2010 at 07:02 PM.

06-10-2010, 03:40 PM	#3
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	If he gets in the 290-300 range, you would have to think he'll get in. There is certainly precedent for it (Niekro, Sutton, et al.). Assuming the recent retirees (Maddux, Rocket, Johnson, Glavine) are all future HOFers, Tommy John is the modern day leader in career wins without HOF entry at 288 followed by Bert Blyleven at 287. Certainly he needs to exceed those guys.

06-10-2010, 05:16 PM	#5
billethius All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 822	No. Moyer is a fantastic story, but hall he's done is win a lot of games by being a good pitcher for a very long time. He was never great - of if he was, it wasn't for long. I don't think he belongs and can't see him getting in regardless of his final win total.

06-10-2010, 06:13 PM	#6
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	If he picks up the magic 300, I think you have to take him seriously as a HOF. Something is to be said about longevity. His career may have not been flashy or sexy but if a guy can stay productive in the league for as long as he has and also reach a key mark in how we judge pithers, he has to be in the discussion.

06-10-2010, 06:17 PM	#7
Slackker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 777	Jamie Moyer? Are you serious? Three times in the top 10 voting for Cy Young. This is his 24th season. Current career ERA of 4.21. ONE-Time All Star. Again, this is his 24th season. Usually these aren't huge categories for me, but when you add them all up.. and it looks like this.. that's not a Hall of Fame player.

06-10-2010, 06:34 PM	#8
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Why is he still playing and other's his age not? You can't discount his ability to pitch. IF he hits 300 and you discount him as a Hall of Famer you can't possibly understand the game. I personally don't think he'll get there. He has to average over 12 wins over the next 3 years. I think he will pitch next year and that will be it. He'll end up with 275-280 and he'll be discussed every year around induction time and will even receive a few votes but never get in. If he hits 300 though, he'll make it.

06-11-2010, 08:10 AM	#12
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	Moyer will need 3 years to get to 300 wins if he can win 8 more this year and win an average of about 9 wins a year for 3 years. With 300 wins he should get into the HOF or else he would be the first ever to win this amount without a HOF entry. I feel he could pitch for three more years, time will tell. If he retires this year he will be remembered as a player who played a lot of years and was a consistent but not a great player.

06-12-2010, 11:49 PM	#16
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,634	For Pete (Rose's?) sake, no. The guy was barely above average.

06-13-2010, 12:05 AM	#17
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	If he made it, the only reason would be that he had the luck to stick around for 27 seasons to accumulate 300 wins. He only had 2 20-win seasons and 3 others with 15+. His career era will be somewhere in the 4.25+ if he lasts 3 more years. No knock on the guy, he's been a solid career guy but I wouldn't put him as a hall of famer.

06-13-2010, 12:07 AM	#18
KBLover All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 580	I'd like to see him just pitch when he's 50. That alone would be sweet. I always thought Charlie Hough would have done it if he didn't get hurt. I don't think he makes the Hall even if he makes it to 300 wins. Like someone earlier said, he'll probably be just considered "above average" and not make the cut. Still a big Jamie Moyer fan, Hall or no.

06-13-2010, 11:52 AM	#19
mrcoach00 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 217	Here's a thread with a poll that was started nearly two years ago on Moyer and his HOF chances. click here

06-13-2010, 10:22 PM	#20
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	Its the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Stats Fitting Some Pre-Set Standard. He's got a ton of fans. And his longevity is gaining him more and more as time goes on. Its possible.