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Yep. Brainwashed (note: my phone autocorrected to "braindead", which...)
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They act like this is a new concept.
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Yeah, I just thought this thread would be about how to better the current system. I didn't think it would take a turn towards revolt of the system. This thread is almost political. Me personally, I'd rather just talk about the proposal without getting into the system and greedy owners.
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And that is also why I like engaging with you & posters like yourself. We haven't agreed on every topic. But you have never taken it personally.
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As far as the draft and all of these rules that seem to hold players back, what do you expect? It's an organization that sets its own rules. What ever you want to call it, they are never created with the best interest of someone else in mind. If you want players to make the most money possible, remove the cap. Even if the NFL removed the draft and everyone was a free agent, the rookie contracts still exist. What would compel the league to do away with them? |
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As far as the OP goes, and like I said before, I don't see too many cons if done correctly. The one con I would see is not counting drafted players at all against the cap. The owners would never go for it. So I think at best a 25-50% cap discount. Closer to 25%. But anything like that would be an improvement.
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The Competitive Balance Tax threshold would be adjusted to account for the "cap discount" and that fewer players would count against the CBT threshold. The value of players that reached free agency would tank. Then their previous teams would have leverage over them to sign smaller deals. Plus, the whole idea if trying to inventivize players to give up freedom of place of employment for cash. This is not a good proposal for the players. They only benefit by this being a possible step in doing away with the CBT completely. But, not just go for that and skip this step Last edited by CBeisbol; 02-09-2020 at 01:49 PM. |
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I really don't know what you mean by this. So what? Who cares where the player wants to be? I don't. That's how it has worked from the beginning of time. What changes would allow a player to play wherever he wants for the most amount of money? None. That's not even a realistic concept. |
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We have all this analysis of mostly the effect on teams over the salary cap. Most of the teams are not in this situation but analysis of the effect on them is absent. I guess this must be part of the system where the minority that has the money decides and the rest can put up or make other choices.
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From the outside some of us can look at the situation and believe the small market teams get screwed, but it seems perhaps the small market teams don't care. Reality is they're in an industry where they're guaranteed a profit for breathing. How often does an MBL team lose money? And bankruptcy is nearly unheard of. It must be that as a group MLB teams management is much more competent than the management of companies in almost any other industry. What's the chance of that?
There are other industries where being an owner is a license to print money. The NFL, franchise dealers of the big auto makers, power companies... I could go on but that's enough for the example. What these have in common is some sort of anti competitive market manipulation. In the case of sports, the most visible is the cost of labor. Its much less apparent for auto dealers but the auto makers limit the number of appointed dealers per population. Each has a marketing area sufficient to support it without another dealer present. Power companies are regulated monopolies and no matter how inefficient regulators allow a "reasonable" profit. So maybe small market MLB teams really don't care. They can make money as long as they can convince fans they're trying despite being dealt a bad hand. And actually maybe make fans feel its their fault for not supporting the team more. |
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Nothing weird about it. I don't care about players, I care about the success of the team I like. I could not possibly care less if the player is happy where he lives, what he eats for breakfast, or if his kids misbehave. I don't care about their lives in the slightest. Last edited by Ragnar; 02-09-2020 at 05:22 PM. |
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I'm all too familiar with this crap. I've been in unions all of my life. I'm a high school grad so I have very little leverage when it comes to commanding a higher salary. So I choose a union. |
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I did not say they would have to do this
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