Collection Missions General Discussion

[waittilnextyear]

Latest Hrabosky went unsold for 150K.

Maybe, just maybe some of these sellers will start to get the idea to lower the prices?

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I guess the current system is working as intended then. It makes me think about how I want to play next year's game. It won't be this way to be sure.

Yea, I've given that same subject a fair amount of thought myself.

[dkgo]

I get that there were a lot of unknown factors when the first collections came out. Expecting them to be perfect was unreasonable.

What's most concerning is that it's now been documented for months how easy they are to abuse, but instead of making efforts to help they go the other way and make bottlenecks even worse with two mandatory diamonds in the Tigers collection. Just a huge middle finger to the player base who has stuck with the game the entire season.

I don't like playing a game half-assed. If I'm committing to it then I'm going to try to maximize the value from it. I hate the feeling of "missing out," if I need to keep the game up the entire evening refreshing every ten seconds while watching TV or playing on the other monitor then I'm going to do it. The alternative is not playing at all. I only play Ultimate Team every other year because I end up investing so much into it and it looks like PT is going the same path. Not to mention the overall structure of the leagues and promotion and rewards is fundamentally flawed as well but that's been talked about to death in other places, we will see what gets changed.

[Orcin]

I completed the Cardinals missions this morning. It took six days to collect the first 85 cards and three more to decide that I was tired of looking at the auction house every hour. I started this mission set because I am a Cardinals fan and I wanted a lot of the cards. I especially wanted Ozzie and SE Harry Brecheen, but I also wanted other reward cards like the SE Hernandez, SE Lanier, SE Carpenter, and even SE Boyer. I didn't do it for profit although I had hoped that I would get "Ozzie and Harry" at a bargain price. The final battle for Hrabosky/Gibson made me realize that was not going to happen and, frankly, made me decide that I am done with missions.

I paid 120K for Hrabosky, which is a ridiculous price. As my mother used to say, I have more money than sense. Yes, I have heard all of the arguments... I was really buying Ozzie and he is worth the price that I paid in total for the 86 cards. I get that but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Hrabosky finally dropped below 150K this morning so I just held my nose and clicked BIN to put an end to my misery. I knew if I didn't do it someone else would, and then I would spend another week (or more) refreshing the AH. I felt dirty paying such a stupid price, and I don't intend to do it again... which means I am done with missions unless the system changes in the future. I might go "f2p pack only" next year to see how the other 99% lives, skipping missions entirely unless they complete themselves. But I digress...

I spent 530K on the collection, including points spent for cards that I already had (McCarver, Molina, Wainwright, Dayley). I also bought some diamond cards that I especially wanted over cheaper alternatives (Rolen, 96 Cooper, 96 Hornsby, Schoendienst). I am sure that it could have been completed under 500K with careful shopping and more patience. It could have easily been completed for less than 400K if the reward cards were sold (I only sold the gold ones).

In summary, I spent a lot of points for a lot of cards, and I probably got my money's worth because I wanted to collect many of the expensive cards anyway. If I sold everything that wasn't locked, I would have made a profit but not enough to be worth the irritation and time spent IMO. I am happy to own Ozzie, and I am also happy to be done with this part of the game.

[dkgo]

grrrr. I saw the 120K Hrabosky and was hoping it would sit unsold forever

Aside from the gibson/hrabosky the cardinals mission really isnt that bad. You need one of the mid level Deans or Hornsby for about 35K but those were already somewhat pricy decent cards. The rest of the diamonds seem around 15-20K which is what always happens when they are in a good collection and are usually pretty available.

Just a lot of cards required. 72 Smith is probably the second toughest to find.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by dkgo

grrrr. I saw the 120K Hrabosky and was hoping it would sit unsold forever

Yeah, it should have. I would have felt ok paying 80K, but I figured it would be a long time getting there and I didn't want to have the same regrets as bailey (waiting for Freehan).

[pgjocki]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I completed the Cardinals missions this morning. It took six days to collect the first 85 cards and three more to decide that I was tired of looking at the auction house every hour. I started this mission set because I am a Cardinals fan and I wanted a lot of the cards. I especially wanted Ozzie and SE Harry Brecheen, but I also wanted other reward cards like the SE Hernandez, SE Lanier, SE Carpenter, and even SE Boyer. I didn't do it for profit although I had hoped that I would get "Ozzie and Harry" at a bargain price. The final battle for Hrabosky/Gibson made me realize that was not going to happen and, frankly, made me decide that I am done with missions.



I paid 120K for Hrabosky, which is a ridiculous price. As my mother used to say, I have more money than sense. Yes, I have heard all of the arguments... I was really buying Ozzie and he is worth the price that I paid in total for the 86 cards. I get that but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Hrabosky finally dropped below 150K this morning so I just held my nose and clicked BIN to put an end to my misery. I knew if I didn't do it someone else would, and then I would spend another week (or more) refreshing the AH. I felt dirty paying such a stupid price, and I don't intend to do it again... which means I am done with missions unless the system changes in the future. I might go "f2p pack only" next year to see how the other 99% lives, skipping missions entirely unless they complete themselves. But I digress...



I spent 530K on the collection, including points spent for cards that I already had (McCarver, Molina, Wainwright, Dayley). I also bought some diamond cards that I especially wanted over cheaper alternatives (Rolen, 96 Cooper, 96 Hornsby, Schoendienst). I am sure that it could have been completed under 500K with careful shopping and more patience. It could have easily been completed for less than 400K if the reward cards were sold (I only sold the gold ones).



In summary, I spent a lot of points for a lot of cards, and I probably got my money's worth because I wanted to collect many of the expensive cards anyway. If I sold everything that wasn't locked, I would have made a profit but not enough to be worth the irritation and time spent IMO. I am happy to own Ozzie, and I am also happy to be done with this part of the game.

My question long term is how viable is this for OOTP in the next few years? With each release of OOTP we get a brand new PT and how many people are going to be willing to shell out $500 to $1,000 or more on virtual baseball cards?

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[Westheim]

Originally Posted by pgjocki

My question long term is how viable is this for OOTP in the next few years? With each release of OOTP we get a brand new PT and how many people are going to be willing to shell out $500 to $1,000 or more on virtual baseball cards?

I think tournaments could be a first step to more. Custom leagues spring to mind.

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by dkgo

72 Smith is probably the second toughest to find.

This is why I believe missions, as currently constituted, are flawed. A low silver, even one as useful as Ozzie, should not be a limiting factor. His absence doesn't make the mission difficult, just annoying.

[BigRed75]

Originally Posted by Dogberry99

This is why I believe missions, as currently constituted, are flawed. A low silver, even one as useful as Ozzie, should not be a limiting factor. His absence doesn't make the mission difficult, just annoying.

70 OVR Rickey Henderson would like to have a word...

[dkgo]

Originally Posted by Dogberry99

This is why I believe missions, as currently constituted, are flawed. A low silver, even one as useful as Ozzie, should not be a limiting factor. His absence doesn't make the mission difficult, just annoying.

Ha you thought it was actually a useful card. The 72 is Lonnie Smith. I guess he's in another mission too

[waittilnextyear]

The market has been pretty stubborn on the Ozzie Smith missions. On both sides.

So, Orcin paid 120K for the final card but that's not unheard of. It seems 120-130K has been shelled out a couple of times now. But the demand drops off a cliff above that price point. The seller(s) stubbornly haven't wanted to drop below 140-150K for some reason. Most cards are going unsold at this price. Makes me think the 'bottleneckers' are just sort of bad at pricing. Or exceptionally greedy over 10-20K PP.

It's been quite the standoff and I'm willing to keep waiting. I'm all in for 142K PP on the Cardinals' 10-pack so far accounting for the SE cards that I've already sold. Still need to get Hrabosky or 97 Gibson and also still have a handful of SE Cardinals to sell off. Will probably end up completing this one for about 200K.

A 97 Gibson has appeared for 139/140K if anyone is interested. I'm also thinking that because no more than 1 card is appearing at a time, this whole thing is probably being bottlenecked by just one person.

[Catchthedamnball]

Originally Posted by BigRed75

70 OVR Rickey Henderson would like to have a word...

There's one on the AH right now for another hour or so. Current bid is 11k with a 16k BIN

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by dkgo

Ha you thought it was actually a useful card. The 72 is Lonnie Smith. I guess he's in another mission too

Even worse then, since the card's only utility now is mission related. My bad for forgetting that Smith is a surprisingly common surname and assuming you meant Ozzie

My still contend my point remains valid, whether its Ozzie, Lonnie, Rickey, or anyone else with a Silver card, their presence or absence is independent of their difficulty.

Speed bumps make a road slower and more annoying to navigate, not more difficult.

[BigRed75]

Originally Posted by Catchthedamnball

There's one on the AH right now for another hour or so. Current bid is 11k with a 16k BIN

And that current bid is 2K+ under 7-day average...

[Spieler]

Originally Posted by waittilnextyear

The market has been pretty stubborn on the Ozzie Smith missions. On both sides.

So, Orcin paid 120K for the final card but that's not unheard of. It seems 120-130K has been shelled out a couple of times now. But the demand drops off a cliff above that price point. The seller(s) stubbornly haven't wanted to drop below 140-150K for some reason. Most cards are going unsold at this price. Makes me think the 'bottleneckers' are just sort of bad at pricing. Or exceptionally greedy over 10-20K PP.

It's been quite the standoff and I'm willing to keep waiting. I'm all in for 142K PP on the Cardinals' 10-pack so far accounting for the SE cards that I've already sold. Still need to get Hrabosky or 97 Gibson and also still have a handful of SE Cardinals to sell off. Will probably end up completing this one for about 200K.

A 97 Gibson has appeared for 139/140K if anyone is interested. I'm also thinking that because no more than 1 card is appearing at a time, this whole thing is probably being bottlenecked by just one person.

No, there were two Gibson cards. I put one up for 149k/179k just to see what would happen. Shortly after, the 139k/140k card appeared (BTW thanks…).

So I cancelled mine and put it back up for 124k/129k. It sold in minutes.

There is a price point for these final collection cards. I have paid up to finish a collection myself. I do not see anyone getting 100 Ozzie (or any of the other end game cards) today for under 100-200k unless you are extremely lucky and/or patient. I imagine it will get only worse as the offseason continues.

And yes, while the sellers seem to be exceptionally greedy over 10k, the buyers seem to be extremely cheap over the same 10k. A virtual line in the sand, I guess.

[Caedus]

Originally Posted by pgjocki

My question long term is how viable is this for OOTP in the next few years? With each release of OOTP we get a brand new PT and how many people are going to be willing to shell out $500 to $1,000 or more on virtual baseball cards?

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This model has worked on a much larger scale for other online sports-game modes. Less people play OOTP, but if the model works for FIFA, there's no reason people won't drop $1,000+ year after year on OOTP either.

[Westheim]

For some people, $1,000 is a ton of money and it would be prohibitive to spend as much on a silly electric baseball card game.

Some people can spend $1,000 on a bottle o' booze without feeling a pinch. Dropping one grand or five on PT is no harm to them, and if that is the bill that gets them all the Yankee Greats of history on Day 1 every year, so be it.

And as much as 90% of players don't want to hear it, group #2 is all that matters for a developer from a financial point of view; that 1% that spends a small fortune, and more than say the bottom 80% of players combined.

Disclaimer: I am somewhere in between here

[UDRays]

I just sold a Bob Gibson for 69k on the auction house. It sold rather quickly, obviously. Wasn't feeling greedy, hope one of you that needed it got it!

Of course I had just bought it seconds earlier for 32k. So... they are out there.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by UDRays

I just sold a Bob Gibson for 69k on the auction house. It sold rather quickly, obviously. Wasn't feeling greedy, hope one of you that needed it got it!

Of course I had just bought it seconds earlier for 32k. So... they are out there.

Somebody listed it at the last 7 average because they didn't know any better. If you weren't feeling greedy, you would have left it alone rather than making 30K off it.