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06-05-2006, 04:27 AM | #1 |
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Rogers Hornsby Still playing at 51
In my new Historical sim with the new DB, Rogers Hornsby is still playing at 51. I have the aging all set to 1.0. Here's his career line so far:
AVG: .317 Hits: 4776 AB: 15,004 G: 1211 2B: 866 HR: 485 RBI: 2349 VORP: 1480.0 Anyone seen anyone else play over 50? |
06-05-2006, 07:08 AM | #3 |
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Those lines from 1942 onwards mirror what I've seen in my tests and I posted briefly about elsewhere.
It seems fielding ratings drop much earlier than hitting ratings, which are maintained too long. Almost like the game is trying to create DHs. HOF-calibre players - in a non-DH era - should retire, rather than pinch-hitting for several years.
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Wonder if the WW2 monster bit him and he was "invited" to hang around for a few more years.
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What is the injury setting? Unless injuries are on normal, I don't think this is something to worry about. I'm very happy to see that Markus has pushed the development cliff so far back.
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In an odd way, I kind of like it that some players can hang on to an advanced age in our little alternate universes.
In one of the prior iterations of Puresim, if a player was kept on the big team roster and continually offered new contracts (human owned team only), you would occasionally get a 25 to 30 year career. I once had Victor Starffin (Russian born pitching star in the early days of Nippon baseball) on my team. He debuted at age 20 or so and had a great career. By 38 or so, he became quite average and flat out stunk by age 42 or so. I was so attached to having him on my team that I kept offering him contracts. I used a 4 man rotation and limited relief roles (old school) so it wasn't too hard to hide him on the team. I would bring him in for mop-up situations (either way) and pull him after he put a runner on (to try and not torpedo his career ERA which was stellar). He retired at 53 IIRC
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It's certainly good that players aren't all hitting terminal decline at 35, but 51 might be taking things a little far... Anyway, IMO it just needs a tweak so that HOF-calibre players who have effectively become DHs in a non-DH era should retire, not sit on the bench for 5 years.
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If this gets tinkered with in the patch, I will be very disappointed. Many past MLB players have stayed in the game into their mid to late 40's. In the case of Hornsby above, it's not as though he was still a superstar at age 50. After his big year at 45, he wasn't an everyday player anymore. If the very rare person can stick it out until 50 or so as a bench player or reliever, I don't mind. If we start seeing them in the rotation and starting everyday.. that's another thing entirely.
I have a fondness for ballplayers that stick in the league for a long time. In my fictional historical replay on 6.5, Cal Eldred hung around out of the bullpen for the last 13 years of his career. He pitched very well through his 40's and retired just shy of his 51st birthday.
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looks like at the age of 49 and 50 he wasn't just pinch hitting. he had more games than atbats...which means he was being used as a pinch runner or defensive replacement.
50 year old PH, I can handle. 50 year old PR or defensive replacements I'm not too fond of.
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just noticed too - 30 years for the Cardinals, then goes to Boston. I hope they didn't trade him
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Fake Horsby is surely an inspiration to Julio Franco.
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Julio Franco isn't quite a HOF-caliber player, but he used to be an All Star shortstop. His fielding skills have deteriorated to the point where he's a first baseman/pinch hitter yet he's hung on in the NL as a part-timer for nearly a decade. And if you expand your criteria to eras or universes where independent minors were more common (say real life, prior to 1930) you'd often find HOF type players spending the last five or ten years of their careers through their mid-40s still playing in lower leagues.
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Fair enough. I don't want every HOF-calibre player to retire as soon as he loses effectiveness in defense, just appears to be a little too far the other way at the moment. There must be plenty of RL examples of players who didn't want to sit on the bench or eke out a few years just to get another 200 hits, but retired as soon as they thought they were past their best. For instance, pitchers seem to be doing this more in game than hitters do. In 3 sims that went beyond a few seasons, Cy Young always seemed to retire when still a starter, and still effective.
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Guess he's obsessed about reaching 5000 hits.
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06-05-2006, 12:45 PM | #17 |
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Stolen base totals, as well as the arc relative to aging, are off-the-charts wrong.
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I also had ruth still around until he was 44(i think). His Contact rating in his last year was 96!
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1,000 homers. Eat it Barry
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