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Old 02-20-2008, 01:20 PM   #21
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Great story! How did John Tudor do? And how many pitchers threw multiple no-hitters?
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Great story! How did John Tudor do? And how many pitchers threw multiple no-hitters?
John Tudor was a second overall pick in 1978 of the Milwaukee Brewers, and spent a year in the minors before being traded to the Dodgers for Ray Knight and minor leaguer Max Venable. He won 32 games in 2 seasons for the Dodgers, posting impressive ERAs, but was then dumped to the Twins for Joel Youngblood. He spend the rest of his career on generally crappy teams, even going 5-22 with the Twins in 1983. He won 19 games after being traded to Toronto for Dickie Thon prior to the 1984 season, but in general, it seemed like this talented pitcher had his confidence shattered after being traded so many times for so many mediocre players. In 1987 he was traded to the Mets for Mike Kingery. He actually settled in after that, winning 66 games over the next 5 seasons for the Mets, Brewers, and Cubs. In 1993, at age 39 and with the Phillies (his eighth franchise), he was 2-4 with a 4.17 ERA after 9 starts, but suffered bone chips in his elbow that ended his season and ultimately, his career.

He finished with a 179-192 record and a 3.94 ERA. His best season was his rookie season with the Dodgers (1980), 17-13 with a 3.07.

Real life stats: 117-72 with a 3.12 ERA. Best season: 21-8, 1.93 ERA (1985)


Jack Fischer (1961, 1966), Roger Nelson (2 in 1971), Bob Welch (1984, 1986) and Andy Pettite (1999, 2004) are the 4 pitchers to have thrown multiple no-hit games.
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Who are the top 3 to 5 players in career hits, home runs, RBI, wins and ERA? I've followed this thread since the start. I love to read these kind of sims.

You may have mentioned this earlier, but what were your settings for:
1. Database (Lahman, Garlon/Spritz, Gambo?)
2. Recalc (3-year?)
3. Minors or reserves?
4. Financials on?
5. Completely run by AI or did you manage a team?
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The trading away of the Big Unit did not hurt the Pirates at all, as they had the NL’s best record at the halfway mark, thanks in part to Luis Gonzalez’ .336 batting average and team-leading 20 home runs. The American League’s top team was Baltimore, which featured the top pitching staff in the game with Kevin Brown, Jamie Moyer and Jason Schmidt leading the way.

Baltimore remained the top team and finished at 102-60, but the Pirates fell apart and finished 4 games behind the Cubs and did not even get the NL Wild Card, which went to the Phillies, who finished a game back of the Expos. The Rockies won the West with just 81 wins. Cleveland returned to the top of the AL Central as the Royals had a rough year, and Anaheim won the wild card with 92 wins.

The Orioles’ Kevin Brown won the pitching Triple Crown, winning 21 games, posing an ERA of 3.26 and striking out 215 batters. The Orioles swept the Angles in the Division Series, but lost in 7 games to the Rangers in the LCS. Philadelphia upset the Cubs in the NLDS, while Colorado upset the Expos. The Phillies went on to beat the Rockies in 5, and faced the Rangers in the World Series. Texas had been in the playoffs 5 times but had yet to win the whole thing. The Phillies, with a much longer history, had only won 2 World Series. It went just 5 games as the Rangers won their first World Series title.

2001

The Dodgers, last place the last two seasons in the NL West, inked Randy Johnson (17-7, 2.36 in 2000) to a 3 year deal in the offseason. The Royals added another bat to an already potent lineup, signing 28-year-old right fielder Shawn Green (.309-42-131 with the Reds in 2000). The move put the Royals right back in contention in the Central, and they found themselves 2 games behind first place Cleveland at the all-star break.

Once again, Baltimore and Boston were at the top of the AL East in the first half, but the Red Sox played poorly after the break and the Orioles won the division by a whopping 16 games. The Phillies controlled the NL East while the Pirates maintained their place at the top of the NL Central, just barely beating out the Brewers, who got the wild card The Dodgers took the NL West, while the Angels won the West in the AL and would face the Royals in the Division Series.

The Orioles beat the Mariners, winners of the AL wild card, in 4 games. The Royals again were beaten in the first round, swept out of the playoffs by Anaheim. Another wild card team advanced this year, with the Brewers sweeping the Phillies in three games. They faced the Dodgers in the NLCS but lost in seven. The Orioles beat the Angels in 6 games in the ALCS and then handled the Dodgers easily, winning in 5 games to win the World Series.

2002

The defending NL champion Dodgers turned in a terrible follow-up performance in 2002, sinking so far that for much of the first half they contended for the league’s worst record. The San Francisco Giants emerged as a surprise team, leading the NL for most of the season with just one true star in Todd Helton.

A great race shaped up in the NL East, with Atlanta and Philadelphia battling again with the Florida Marlins in the mix as well. All three were tied as late as August 13th. A similar race took place in the AL Central, with Detroit, Kansas City and Minnesota all tied into mid-August as well. The Braves played well in August and earned a cushion on the Phillies, while the Royals and Twins went back and forth until the very end. It would have been a thrilling end to the season but fundamentally it did not matter who won the division since the second place team had a firm hold on the wild card. The Twins ended up taking the division and the Royals got the wild card. It was a similar story in the NL, where the Phillies still made it to the playoffs.

The Royals faced the Orioles, who easily won the AL East, but had 2 fewer victories. Kansas City, hoping to exorcise playoff demons, beat the defending champions in 5 games, and went on to face the Twins, who beat Oakland. In the National League, the Giants took care of business against the Phillies, while Pittsburgh beat Atlanta in 5.

The Royals would move on to the World Series after beating Minnesota in five games. They would face the Giants. It figured to be a close series and did not disappoint, going seven games. In the deciding game the Giants were able to use Mike Mussina against the Royals’ mediocre number 3 starter Joe Fontenot. Fontenot struggled and Mussina gave the Giants 6 strong innings, and gave way to a near-perfect bullpen to give San Francisco the Series. It was the 6th for the Giants franchise and first since 1978.

2003

Baltimore was dealt a blow when outfielder Brian Giles, a key cog in their lineup over the last several years, opted to head to the west coast in free agency. After talking with L.A. and Oakland, Giles eventually settled on the World Champion Giants, where he would protect Todd Helton in the lineup.

The Giants did continue to play well and were comfortably ahead in the NL West at the all-star break. The Pirates were the top team in the NL with a 49-26 record, a mark that was matched in the American League by the resurgent Blue Jays. The Blue Jays, once led by the home runs of Mark McGwire, hadn’t contended since 1997 and let the fading masher sign with the Athletics back in 2002. They added some quality pitching prospects and began to reap the rewards as 24-year old Ben Sheets emerged as a legitimate ace in 2003, with A.J. Burnett and Dontrelle Willis also contributing quality seasons.

The other big story was Ichiro Suzuki of the Anaheim Angels, who threatened to break the .400 mark, hitting at a .421 mark going into the month of July. The Angels were also battling the Mariners and Athletics for control of the AL West. Ichiro’s batting average stayed above .400 through July 25th, but continued to dip, and the Japanese import finished the season batting .364.

It did not stop the Angels from winning the West by 11 games over Oakland. The Twins won the Central (with Chicago as the wild card) and Toronto, despite a less successful second half, won the East. In the NL, the Giants swooned in the second half and finished 7 games behind the Diamondbacks, who won their first division title. The Pirates won 101 games and the Central, with the Cubs at 90-72 winning the wild card. Montreal overcame a mediocre pitching staff to win the East.

The Angels came out of the muddled American League playoff picture and won the ALCS in 5 games over the Twins, who swept the Blue Jays easily. In the National League, Pittsburgh swept the Expos, but was then upset by the upstart Diamondbacks in five. The World Series went a full seven games and the Diamondbacks won it, in just their 6th season in the league.

Mark McGwire finished the season with 12 home runs, leaving him with 702 and just 13 more away from the all-time record of 715, held by Ted Williams. But he turned 40 and was stuck on the bench in Oakland, and pressured the team for a trade to a team where he could be a starter. Barry Bonds ended the season with 683 home runs at the age of 39, but he certainly appeared to have some good years left. The veteran hit .374 with 33 home runs to win the AL MVP, so another season like that figured to give him the all-time record. The Brewers, not in contention for the playoffs, opted to get something for him as he 2004 was the final year of his deal – and traded the slugger to San Diego for infielder Carlos Guillen and relief pitcher Tim Worrell. Bonds then signed a 3-year extension with the Padres for $17 million a season.

2004

Besides the Bonds deal, the biggest move included the signing of Carlos Beltran by the Expos from the Minnesota Twins. But the story of 2004 was the Home Run Chase.

Barry Bonds hit his 700th home run on June 3rd in a loss to the Phillies. Meanwhile, Mark McGwire, left for dead in Oakland after hitting just .175 in 83 games in 2003, hit like a man intent on breaking the all-time mark first, hitting 11 homers in just 83 at bats for the Athletics in the first half. It gave him 713 at the break, to Bonds’ 704. Bonds was also hitting .344 and playing every day, so experts figured it was not a matter of if, but when, he would eclipse both Ted Williams and McGwire. The question was whether Big Mac would break the record first. With the Athletics contending for the AL West title, they were in a bind. While they wanted to accommodate McGwire's quest for 715, they also had the reigning league MVP in Albert Pujols starting at first base, and Carl Crawford in the regular DH slot. A latecomer to Oakland, McGwire had hit just .191 in his first two seasons as an Athletic and had not really endeared himself to Oakland fans, who saw him as a hanger-on just trying to scrape together enough home runs to break a historic record. Oakland manager Mike Brown said early he would not hurt the team’s chances of winning the pennant just to help McGwire break the record, and mostly used McGwire as a DH against left-handed starters and in pinch-hitting situations. Things were complicated this year as McGwire's average was above .300 in his very limited time. McGwire argued that he deserved more starts against righties, but the argument fell on deaf ears in Oakland, while national media types debated the issue endlessly.

McGwire got his 714th homer on July 12th off Dontrelle Willis, pulling him within 1 of tying Williams and boosting his batting average to .326. He didn’t play again until July 20th, and then again on the 21st when he hit his 715th homer of his career, putting him in a tie for the all-time record. Barry Bonds was looking up at 709 home runs. McGwire soon got a shot against Mark Buehrle of the White Sox but was held hitless; that same day Bonds hit his 27th homer of the season to get to 710, and then followed it up with number 711 the day after. Bonds hit his 712th on July 31st, the trading deadline, to come within 3 of tying the record, and the Athletics would not trade McGwire, nor change their strategy of keeping him out of the lineup against righties. McGwire got back-to-back starts on August 4th and 5th but only managed 1 single in 8 plate appearances, while Barry Bonds drew closer with home run #713. On August 9th in a losing effort at St. Louis, and with McGwire on the bench for Oakland, Barry Bonds hit a home run off Brian Lawrence in the 1st inning and then another off Joey Eischen in the 8th inning, giving him 715 for his career. It created what many pundits had hoped for: an amazing three-way tie for the all-time home run record.

McGwire’s opportunity to hold the record alone was closing, and he got an opportunity the next day as the A’s faced Baltimore's lefty Omar Daal. But McGwire went 0-for-4, and in St. Louis, Barry Bonds hit a solo homer off Wade Miller in the 6th inning for his record-breaking 716th career home run.

McGwire would end up passing Ted Williams with a two-homer game on August 24th, doing it against his former team the Toronto Blue Jays to a huge standing ovation. Bonds finished the season with 42 home runs, giving him 725 for his career, and the Padres’ strong finish to the season (41-17 from August onward) gave them the NL West tile. The Athletics finished 76-86 but only one game behind the AL West champion Angels.

The Angels were tied for the 8th best record in the 14-team American League. Yet the league’s three-division format, installed in 1994, meant that the geographically lucky Angels had to win just 11 more games and they would be crowned champions. And win 11 games they did, beating the Devil Rays in 5 in the Division Series, the wild-card Yankees in 7 in the ALCS, and the Phillies in 6 in the World Series. The Angels overall record in the regular season plus the playoffs was 88-92, making them the first team to win fewer games than they lost and still considered champions of anything other than mediocrity.

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Who are the top 3 to 5 players in career hits, home runs, RBI, wins and ERA? I've followed this thread since the start. I love to read these kind of sims.

You may have mentioned this earlier, but what were your settings for:
1. Database (Lahman, Garlon/Spritz, Gambo?)
2. Recalc (3-year?)
3. Minors or reserves?
4. Financials on?
5. Completely run by AI or did you manage a team?
1.) Lahman Database
2.) 3-year recalc
3.) Minor leagues
4.) Financials on, untouched from out-of-box
5.) AI-run. I did not manage a team given my pre-existing knowledge of history

Another note is that player personalities were on and assigned randomly, however to create a more interesting experience for me personally, I tweaked those values in some cases for players I knew and desired to mimic. (Players who spent their careers with one team were given higher loyalty ratings, known leaders were increased in this category at the amateur draft, etc).

Were I to do it again I might turn off personalities, and I'd like to figure out a way to better mimic the reserve clause in pre-Curt Flood years. One problem is that poor teams would often stay poor because they choose the starting pitcher with the best overall Potential, and these players are often nobodies as generated.

So far this is the only thing I've used OOTP 8/2007 for. I'll have to look at the boards for other settings What's the difference between the databases used for the source?


Oh, almost forgot.

Career Hits
1.) Joe Jackson - 4299
2.) Ty Cobb - 3972
3.) Eddie Collins - 3783
4.) Ted Williams - 3561
5.) Tony Gwynn - 3560

Career Home Runs (as of 11-23-2004)
1.) Barry Bonds* - 725
2.) Mark McGwire* - 720
3.) Ted Williams - 715
4.) Mickey Mantle - 584
5.) Ken Griffey, Jr.* - 554

Career RBI^
1.) Ted Williams - 2229
2.) Barry Bonds* - 2096
3.) Joe Jackson - 1893
4.) Mark McGwire* - 1874
5.) Mel Ott - 1853

Career Wins^
1.) Cy Young - 448
2.) Walter Johnson - 404
3.) Kid Nichols - 361
4.) Christy Mathewson - 352
5.) Whitey Ford - 328

Career ERA
1.) Jack Doscher - 2.032
2.) Rip Vowinkel - 2.168
3.) Hooks Wiltse - 2.210
4.) Bunny Hearn - 2.237
5.) Barney Pelty - 2.247

^Excludes players like Cap Anson whose entire pre-1901 careers were imported into the leaders.

That ERA category turned out lame so here's another one:

Career Pitcher VORP
1.) Lefty Grove - 1050.84 (305-173, 2.94 ERA, 1.25 WHIP)
2.) Walter Johnson - 1011.73 (404-321, 3.04 ERA, 1.26 WHIP)
3.) Carl Hubbell - 969.68 (312-243, 3.38 ERA, 1.25 WHIP)
4.) Whitey Ford - 943.92 (328-194, 3.00, 1.24 WHIP)
5.) Greg Maddux - 917.95 (270-172, 3.23 ERA, 1.13 WHIP)

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John Tudor was a second overall pick in 1978 of the Milwaukee Brewers, and spent a year in the minors before being traded to the Dodgers for Ray Knight and minor leaguer Max Venable. He won 32 games in 2 seasons for the Dodgers, posting impressive ERAs, but was then dumped to the Twins for Joel Youngblood. He spend the rest of his career on generally crappy teams, even going 5-22 with the Twins in 1983. He won 19 games after being traded to Toronto for Dickie Thon prior to the 1984 season, but in general, it seemed like this talented pitcher had his confidence shattered after being traded so many times for so many mediocre players. In 1987 he was traded to the Mets for Mike Kingery. He actually settled in after that, winning 66 games over the next 5 seasons for the Mets, Brewers, and Cubs. In 1993, at age 39 and with the Phillies (his eighth franchise), he was 2-4 with a 4.17 ERA after 9 starts, but suffered bone chips in his elbow that ended his season and ultimately, his career.

He finished with a 179-192 record and a 3.94 ERA. His best season was his rookie season with the Dodgers (1980), 17-13 with a 3.07.

Real life stats: 117-72 with a 3.12 ERA. Best season: 21-8, 1.93 ERA (1985)


Jack Fischer (1961, 1966), Roger Nelson (2 in 1971), Bob Welch (1984, 1986) and Andy Pettite (1999, 2004) are the 4 pitchers to have thrown multiple no-hit games.
Thanks for this! Pretty good for Tudor. I wonder what his numbers would look like with a long run on a good club.
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I love your HR chase story. I'm not entirely sure how the different databases would affect results, but I just wanted something to compare your stats with. Using Lahman, I also see Ted Williams emerge at the top and have never had McGwire, Bonds or anyone else beat him for HR, RBI.
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Any chance of a summary of the following players?:

Edgar Martinez
Ken Caminiti
Stan Javier
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Derek Jeter
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A great read!

Can you tell me how Tim Raines did?
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