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Old 11-23-2019, 02:47 PM   #61
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I missed you in my thank yous upthread, so thank you for pointing this out. Makes a lot of sense. Absolutely have to do it before the first games of the season are played though.

EDIT: Your point about the internal calculation being more accurate sounds very reasonable as well. Note to self: Do this on opening day before games are played from now on.
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I actually only learned this recently, from Sweed. The key point is that all rosters are set to 25 or whatever on OD, (I now use 26) so the simulation doesn't have a bunch of minor league players skewing the stat output if it's done the day before..
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I'm really glad to hear it's working for you EC. I'm also glad that these fine gentlemen (Bluenoser, Sweed, and RchW) let us know that this can be done on Opening Day prior to the playing of any games, which would be even better, because as Bluenoser pointed out, the 25-man rosters would be set. It would probably throw a monkey wrench into the Preseason Predictions, but who cares? Predictions are almost always wrong in baseball. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

You're only about one sixth of the way through the season, so give things time to shake out over the course of the full season in terms of league ERA and Fld%. The other thing is that there will be some variance as you move through your seasons, possibly due to the constantly changing talent levels of the hitters and the pitchers in your league(s). This is probably a good thing, as it won't swing as wildly as it would without using the system, but it also won't be the same year after year.
I just want the league stats to be "in the ballpark", so to speak... just something close to the 1950 season numbers.

Realize there will be some variations, but well within tolerance.
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This is a really great thread. Thanks to all. I learned some things I didn't know and some things that I'd never contemplated.

So, 2 questions:

I have and MLB league that has expanded to 40 teams over the course of 23 seasons having begun in 2014. What, if any, is the effect of expanding to this size with regard to league totals and LTM's?

Am I to understand that importing season totals, etc. for minor league's is reflective of that season's totals from the various minor league levels? More simply put, when I import 2015 for a AAA league are these totals accurate for the league level and year?

Any thoughts/help on the above would be appreciated.

And, thanks again for the efforts put into this thread.
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This is a really great thread. Thanks to all. I learned some things I didn't know and some things that I'd never contemplated.

So, 2 questions:

I have and MLB league that has expanded to 40 teams over the course of 23 seasons having begun in 2014. What, if any, is the effect of expanding to this size with regard to league totals and LTM's?

Am I to understand that importing season totals, etc. for minor league's is reflective of that season's totals from the various minor league levels? More simply put, when I import 2015 for a AAA league are these totals accurate for the league level and year?

Any thoughts/help on the above would be appreciated.

And, thanks again for the efforts put into this thread.
Expanding will work fine with the current league totals as they are not "number of teams" dependent. The stats will come in ratio to the Leauge
Totals. IE If you have more teams you will have more hits, homers etc. but still in the same ratio. It will also work in you contract. You could go so far as to not use real stats and base your League Totals on 100,000 at bats if you wanted to. Again it's all ratios.

Of course having the numbers come out right will still require running auto-calc on opening day before the first game is played.

I don't know if OOTP uses the real minor league stats as league totals, my guess is it does. I setup my minor league LT's with OOTP 2006 using real stats I found online and have never changed them. If someone posts that OOTP's minor league LT's are in fact real numbers it would be an easy way for me to get up to date
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I have always used the same method ActionJackson uses. Been doing so for years now. I would love to know if there is a difference between that method and simply hitting auto-calc. Both methods cause the game to run calculations(progress bar across top of screen). Both methods set modifiers.
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I have always used the same method ActionJackson uses. Been doing so for years now. I would love to know if there is a difference between that method and simply hitting auto-calc. Both methods cause the game to run calculations(progress bar across top of screen). Both methods set modifiers.
Namely just using "Select Year" for the year you want to use for your stats rather than using auto-calc. I have yet to test this myself, but DW keeps telling me that once you reach Opening Day, my system is no longer an option, but auto-calc is. I can't remember what happened, but I remember not getting good results with auto-calc, and getting great results with "Select Year", so I want to stick with my method. When I get around to it, I will run a test to compare the two methods, but something about auto-calc did not go well for me.
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Namely just using "Select Year" for the year you want to use for your stats rather than using auto-calc. I have yet to test this myself, but DW keeps telling me that once you reach Opening Day, my system is no longer an option, but auto-calc is. I can't remember what happened, but I remember not getting good results with auto-calc, and getting great results with "Select Year", so I want to stick with my method. When I get around to it, I will run a test to compare the two methods, but something about auto-calc did not go well for me.
Same here.
Though as I recall what I did was select a year and after it did its thing I then hit auto-calc which seemed to just take everything back to the statistical modifiers of the season I was using as the basis for financials/strategies, etc., not the season I wanted to use for statistical modifiers. (Basically I was trying to avoid the extremes of 1968 and ended up with the Year of the Pitcher in spite of my efforts not to.)
Ever since, I select a year for statistical modifiers (using a random selection process involving a range of 20 possible seasons, 1971-1990) just prior to the regular season starting, avoid auto-calc altogether, and so far, so good.
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Namely just using "Select Year" for the year you want to use for your stats rather than using auto-calc. I have yet to test this myself, but DW keeps telling me that once you reach Opening Day, my system is no longer an option, but auto-calc is. I can't remember what happened, but I remember not getting good results with auto-calc, and getting great results with "Select Year", so I want to stick with my method. When I get around to it, I will run a test to compare the two methods, but something about auto-calc did not go well for me.
Don't listen to me. It's now clear that the two of us are using completely different methods. The method I've always used is to sim till a day or two prior to opening day. I then place a check in the box for adjust modifiers according to history. I then select the year I'm using, in my current league it's 1980. When I select 1980, the games runs the calculations---progress bar across top of the screen. This sets all my modifiers. I have a feeling the method I'm using may be very similar to auto calc.

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Don't listen to me. It's now clear that the two of us are using completely different methods. The method I've always used is to sim till a day or two prior to opening day. I then place a check in the box for adjust modifiers according to history. I then select the year I'm using, in my current league it's 1980. When I select 1980, the games runs the calculations---progress bar across top of the screen. This sets all my modifiers. I have a feeling the method I'm using may be very similar to auto calc.
Can't speak for actionjackson but the only thing that sounds different in your approach from mine is that I don't do anything with the adjust modifiers according to history box. I just select the year from MLB history I want my statistical modifiers to be based upon, and like you said, the game runs the calculations (progress bar across top of the screen) just like it looks when you use the auto-calc button. My sense is that it is just another way to auto-calc statistical modifiers.
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Can't speak for actionjackson but the only thing that sounds different in your approach from mine is that I don't do anything with the adjust modifiers according to history box. I just select the year from MLB history I want my statistical modifiers to be based upon, and like you said, the game runs the calculations (progress bar across top of the screen) just like it looks when you use the auto-calc button. My sense is that it is just another way to auto-calc statistical modifiers.
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Hey, don't assume you will learn anything from me.


I'm mostly just stumbling around in the dark hoping to run into something useful and not something painful.
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I'm mostly just stumbling around in the dark hoping to run into something useful and not something painful.
Stumbling is how I found this method. It was kind of like...I wonder why that "Select Year" thing is there. Lemme try that. What the? Holy crap, all the modifiers just changed. I wonder what would happen if I found a year I wanted to use for my stats output. Looked at some possibilities before deciding 1984 was the one for me. Now let's test that out in say 1901, and sim the entire season and see what happens. I checked the 1901 OOTP league stats, and HOLY CRAP!!! They look awfully close to RL 1984 stats, and they sure don't look anything like RL 1901 league stats! Kept testing. It kept working, and here we are about 5 years later.

Stumbled onto the schedules I use that way too as I hate double headers, and there used to be a ton of them back in the day, and I hate interleague, and that's been around a little over 20 years now. I think there used to be a problem with the 19th century as well, which I used to play, where a 30 game season would last about five weeks or so, and I wasn't having any of that, plus eventually I decided that I wanted a 162 game schedule over the course of 182 days every year, so I made a bunch of extremely simple ones where either every team plays or no teams play on a given day. That sounds weird, so why would I do it? Because it was the easiest way to achieve what I wanted to achieve. Who cares what it looks like as long as it gets the job done? I wanted 81 games before the All-Star game, and 81 games after in order to have two true halves to each season, and now I have it. This game is chock full of happy accidents if you're willing to stumble around in order to find what you want.
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Way back in this thread someone brought up Babe Ruth in a 1984 random debut environment. Just for kicks I started a random in 1941 and simply let it fast sim using "adjust modifiers according to history.": So, this league didn't use 1984 every year, but it just happens that Ruth career in this league spanned from 1971-1991. This league used high fatigue and had injuries set to low. Here is Babe Ruth
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Way back in this thread someone brought up Babe Ruth in a 1984 random debut environment. Just for kicks I started a random in 1941 and simply let it fast sim using "adjust modifiers according to history.": So, this league didn't use 1984 every year, but it just happens that Ruth career in this league spanned from 1971-1991. This league used high fatigue and had injuries set to low. Here is Babe Ruth
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I bet the twitter world lit up with righteous indignation at the fact that he was not a unanimous selection (I know twitter didn't exist then, but let's just pretend that it did), and, internetically speaking, chased down any writers that didn't vote for the Bambino, and beat them to a bloody pulp, in order to satisfy their thirst for Cooperstown Justice. Sometimes, writers run out of space on a ten player ballot, and it comes down to a player that they feel deserves the ultimate honour, and a guy who's pretty much a shoo-in, and is possibly going to get a unanimous selection, and they select the first guy, and that's OK.

Sometimes there's personal bias based on negative interactions with the player, which, while not in the spirit of the supposedly objective nature of the voting process, is understandable because writers are human too. Sometimes it's PEDs. Sometimes the player doesn't cross their threshold for inclusion. Could we all just take a deep breath, and realize that non-unanimous selections really don't amount to a hill of beans in this world? Please? The writer had their reasons for doing it, and whether you approve of them or not, they've earned the right to not have braying keyboard warrior baseball fans, from all corners of the globe demand that their ballot gets taken away. The passion for, and love of the game is wonderful. The anger is fine. The lust for vengeance is dumb. Just a pet peeve of mine. Thank you.
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Awesome insight actionjackson, this method seems to eliminate the HR inflation I see consistently in my sims. When you select the given year you want, does it flow down to the minors and give consistent stats in the minors as well?
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I know that you have to check the box for each minor league to ensure that they recalc every season. For the minors only you may also want to check the box where it fudges the engine to get "right" results. I will say that in practice I - and I don't remember if I check the first box or not (sorry, I'm at work) - have to copy the ratios from major league baseball down into my minor leagues every year or else stuff gets weird.

Also, if this hasn't been pointed out yet, the reason why the game takes a relatively large amount of time to recalc at the beginning of the year is that it literally plays out the season three times, turning all injuries off and using the loaded schedule. Each time it runs a simulated season it then looks at the results, compares them to the expected results, and adjusts accordingly. IIRC the "preseason predictions" are the aggregated results of these sims.

That means that if you have a guy in, say, 1920 who would account for 30% of an entire league's HRs but he gets injured, you should expect your actual league's HRs to be much lower than what historically happened. This also means that if you do what I do, which is manage every team in your league, you've got to make sure that all the lineups and rotations are set up before advancing to Opening Day (if you don't have them set up at all, behind the scenes the game will set up its own, I'm pretty sure, but it might not be who you think it will be).
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