1901 - 2007 - Page 3

Kelric · 10-12-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Exodor

Is there a way to change that date without using an amateur draft?

I imagine just unchecking the 'Enable Amateur Draft' box would work.

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Originally Posted by Hurkman

I just have to know about some of the 1993 Phillies. How about:
Darren Daulton
John Kruk
Lenny Dykstra
Tommy Greene
Mickey Morandini
and, my personal favorite (Hey, I was 9, cut me some slack!)
Kevin Stocker

I'm doing one of these replays myself now, thanks to reading yours. I'll post the results after it finishes up.

Daulton played for the Houston Astros from 1980 through 1988, getting less than 400 combined ABs in his first four seasons. In 1984 and 1985 he was an important backup, seeing time at C, 1B, LF and RF to the tune of 600 combined ABs and a .231/.299/.325 line. Not good, but he got playing time. He was handed the starting catching job for the '86 and '87 seasons, hitting over .250 with a roughly .330 OBP and a slugging percentage approaching .400. He got only 3 ABs in 1988 and never appeared in the bigs again.

John Kruk had a heck of a career, earning himself a spot in the Hall of Pretty Good (not Very Good, since I did have 78 guys get over 3,000 hits). Over his 18 year career, spent mostly with the Mariners but also with Houston and Montreal for the last four years, Kruk was a three time All Star and Gold Glove winner. He had a .277/.376/.402 line, getting 2670 hits, 210 HRs, 1417 runs, 1267 RBIs and a 412.6 VORP. He played in at least 141 games every year except for his last, in which he got into 120 for the Expos. He's 37th on the all-time strikeout list with 2018. (Doing these look ups really makes me wish a player page would list his Top 100 Leaderboard positions.)

Dykstra was a promising player (7/4/7 Contact/Power/Eye Potentials) before getting hit twice with Talent drops after his first and second years in the bigs. After his third season, 1983, he never again appeared in the majors. He did play in the minors through 1998, but as I'm focusing on the bigs his career line is .276/.313/.365 in 540 ABs.

Greene played in the majors the first season after being drafted (November of '84, played in '85) but got hit with Talent drops after '86. He only played in the majors in '85 and '86, going 17-22 with a 4.35 over 339 IP for the Pirates.

Mickey Morandini played for seven teams over the course of his career, starting in 1989 and retiring after the 2006 season. In a bit more than 8,000 career ABs he got 1195 runs, 2281 hits, 753 RBIs and 342 steals for a .279/.335/.375 line. His one AS appearance was 1997, when he went .254/.312/.336 for the Milwaukee Brewers with 27 steals. I'm guessing he had a very good first half and then tailed off.

Stocker stuck around for 14 seasons as a backup player for five different clubs (and Colorado twice), getting into only 1065 games with 1851 ABs and a .219/.278/.288 line.

Not one of those players ever played for the Phillies.

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Originally Posted by Jpotapoff

How about Pete Gray and Jim Abbott?

Gray never played in the majors. Abbott had six solid years for the Cubs from '88 through '93. After his rookie season in which he went 15-13 with a 3.39 in 233 IP with 161 Ks he was hit by a talent drop, but got some of it back after the '89 season which would lead to his best year. In 1990 he was 12-10 with a 3.03 in 246 IP with 192 Ks for a 62.2 VORP. His last season was hurt by more talent drops and he never pitched in the bigs again after '93. His total line was 66-79, 3.56, 1305 IP in 190 starts, 203 games. He got 878 Ks and had a 228.3 VORP.

thehatfield · 10-13-2007, 11:07 AM

How many pitchers threw multiple no-hitters and who were they?

Kelric · 10-13-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Cowboy

How many pitchers threw multiple no-hitters and who were they?

Let us see....

In total, we've had 104 No-Hitters. Two Perfect Games - one by Jake Weimer of Pittsburgh against the Cardinals in 1904 and the other by Bill Doak of Washington against the Indians in 1917.

Jake Weimer would also toss a NH in 1906 against the Phillies.

Oddly enough, Dick Radatz came in as a closer for the Phillies in 1960 but would have a 15 year career as a starting pitcher. He went 188-132 with 18 saves (15 in his first year, 3 in his second) and a 3.20 ERA in almost 3000 IP with 3353 Ks. He was dominant in the first six or seven seasons as a starter, however, getting a 12 strikeout No-Hitter with 0 BBs against the Pirates. Unfortunately for him, someone must have gotten on via an error or something (maybe on a strikeout in the dirt?).

Nolan Ryan had two NHs in 1968 and again in 1969. They were the only two NHs in that timespan.

Frank Kreutzer tossed three, one in 1965, '69 and again in '73.

Ray Washburn had one in '62 and in '75.

Charles Hudson had one in '82 and '86.

That's it. Kreutzer obviously leads with three.

At the end of the 2008 season, the last No-Hitter baseball saw was in September of 2005 when David Bush shutout the Athletics while pitching for the Yankees.

Kelric · 10-15-2007, 05:59 PM

Running a new test sim tonight with a few changes to the settings. We'll see how it looks tomorrow, I guess.

Mattingly120 · 10-15-2007, 08:28 PM

Frank Thomas?

Kelric · 10-15-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattingly120

Frank Thomas?

Already deleted the original test sim. I'm currently almost at 1980 after less than three hours of simming (not saving box scores/game logs/transactions/injuries/whatever information really seems to save tons of time) so I should easily be done by the time the real Red Sox finish blowing this game. I'll put up another thread for the new sim later tonight.

Kelric · 10-15-2007, 10:55 PM

I accidentally simmed through the 2008 season, but oh well.

This time around I neutralized the early ballpark factors, but I guess I'd have to do that every time a new stadium is added to the league to keep it that way. I decided not to keep any news/messages of any kind and that cut my sim from the previous 8 hours to about 4.5 this time.

Too lazy to make a new thread right now though. Maybe tomorrow.

A few quick hits from the new sim - Babe Ruth was again mostly a pitcher, only totalling 550 IP in the bigs and more time in the minors but was out of baseball by the age of 29.

97 players have 3,000 or more hits. Still way too many IMO. Shoeless Joe Jackson retired with 3,999 (so close!).

Mark McGwire hit 885 HRs to lead baseball.

Kelric · 10-16-2007, 02:20 PM

I ran a third sim last night trying again (and failing) to get the # of guys getting 3,000+ hits down. 74 managed 3,000 hits this time, 8 have 4,000 hits and Jimmie Foxx has 5016.

Foxx was a full time player beginning at his age 16 season (1924) all the way through his age 45 season (1953). He is the all-time leader in VORP (2244.5, Rogers Hornsby is second at 1675.28), games (4096), ABs (15403), runs (3414 to Hank Greenberg's 2649), hits (5016 to Tommy Davis' 4345), TB (9054 to Dick Allen's 7248), doubles (822 to Greenberg's 801), HRs (976! to Kevin Mitchell's 697), RBIs (3222 to Greenberg's 2478) and walks (3321 to Greenberg's 2589). In short... he was pretty good.

Basically it looks like I need to change the development modifiers a little. There are too many 20+ year careers. Of course, I'm running this on Patch #2, so I'll have to run more tests on Patch #3 when I update to that.

ctorg · 10-19-2007, 09:55 AM

How did Mark Fidrych do?
Kal Daniels?
Kevin McReynolds?
Mackey Sasser?
Darryl Strawberry?
Dwight Gooden?

Kelric · 10-19-2007, 10:09 AM

Okay, going to run another sim while at work today. Dropped the league totals in hits modifier to .950 instead of 1.000. We'll see what kind of effect that has. I also bumped Injuries from Low to Average (that should help a little with prolonged careers). I like the general totals I'm seeing aside from so many guys getting 3,000+ hits with 20+ year careers.

Kelric · 10-19-2007, 09:47 PM

Stupid me, I forgot the modifier was going to change automatically anyways over the years.

Kelric · 10-20-2007, 08:50 AM

Okay, let's see how the player aging/development changes affect things. I also simmed until the 1913 draft just to change Ruth from a SP to a LFer. I got sick of seeing him out of baseball as a pitcher by the time he was 30ish. Results after work. Eventually.

ckash · 10-22-2007, 04:02 PM

Don't leave us hanging!

Kelric · 10-22-2007, 05:44 PM

My apologies. I continue to get results I don't want. 50-100 guys with 3,000+ hits every sim is frustrating.

Nukester · 10-30-2007, 03:39 PM

In your first year or two, did you have trouble with a group of players getting picked up and dropped by every team ?

Kelric · 10-30-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nukester

In your first year or two, did you have trouble with a group of players getting picked up and dropped by every team ?

Geez, no clue. I never looked. I can tell you that in playing out 1901-2007 sims (currently in 1903) that that isn't happening and I can't recall it happening before.

Nukester · 10-30-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelric

Geez, no clue. I never looked. I can tell you that in playing out 1901-2007 sims (currently in 1903) that that isn't happening and I can't recall it happening before.

Have you adjusted the roster sizes, or did you leave it at 25 players? Also (sorry if its mentioned somewhere else) are you using reserve rosters or minor leagues ?

Kelric · 10-30-2007, 11:47 PM

25 players, using basic AAA/AA/A minor leagues.

DrSatan · 11-03-2007, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelric

My apologies. I continue to get results I don't want. 50-100 guys with 3,000+ hits every sim is frustrating.

Have you tried running a league from 1901-2007 using fictional players. I'm curious if it's the roster set that's giving you these results along with your development settings. I noticed when I use the Lahman database I get a lot of players with long careers, 3000 hits, 300 wins, etc. I noticed after 2007 when the fictional players where introduced to the league, that careers were shorter and fewer players were playing 20+ seasons. I think of the problems with the Lahman database is many new player's ratings are at a major league level which means guys are in the bigs a season or 2 early. You've got me curious now. I'm to run a few leagues and mess with the aging. I've been using the Lahman database, but if someone wants to recomend an alternate and tell me where to download it I'll try it and post results.

Kelric, I saw your post about Dick Radatz. That guy was a 300 game winner in my league, and was a closer for 3 seasons. He was also 4th all time in K's.

fredmanrique · 11-03-2007, 01:51 PM

Are you using Lahman? I just did one w/ Gambo and it came out pretty darn good- 20-25 w/ 3000, 300 winners were actually low, etc. Set the development modifiers down to .5 (still led to some players starting pretty early) and aging to 1.3. Could be tweaked, but overall pretty solid results.

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10-19-2007, 09:55 AM	#49
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10-15-2007, 05:59 PM	#44
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Running a new test sim tonight with a few changes to the settings. We'll see how it looks tomorrow, I guess.

10-15-2007, 08:28 PM	#45
Mattingly120 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 26	Frank Thomas?

10-15-2007, 10:55 PM	#47
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	I accidentally simmed through the 2008 season, but oh well. This time around I neutralized the early ballpark factors, but I guess I'd have to do that every time a new stadium is added to the league to keep it that way. I decided not to keep any news/messages of any kind and that cut my sim from the previous 8 hours to about 4.5 this time. Too lazy to make a new thread right now though. Maybe tomorrow. A few quick hits from the new sim - Babe Ruth was again mostly a pitcher, only totalling 550 IP in the bigs and more time in the minors but was out of baseball by the age of 29. 97 players have 3,000 or more hits. Still way too many IMO. Shoeless Joe Jackson retired with 3,999 (so close!). Mark McGwire hit 885 HRs to lead baseball.

10-16-2007, 02:20 PM	#48
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	I ran a third sim last night trying again (and failing) to get the # of guys getting 3,000+ hits down. 74 managed 3,000 hits this time, 8 have 4,000 hits and Jimmie Foxx has 5016. Foxx was a full time player beginning at his age 16 season (1924) all the way through his age 45 season (1953). He is the all-time leader in VORP (2244.5, Rogers Hornsby is second at 1675.28), games (4096), ABs (15403), runs (3414 to Hank Greenberg's 2649), hits (5016 to Tommy Davis' 4345), TB (9054 to Dick Allen's 7248), doubles (822 to Greenberg's 801), HRs (976! to Kevin Mitchell's 697), RBIs (3222 to Greenberg's 2478) and walks (3321 to Greenberg's 2589). In short... he was pretty good. Basically it looks like I need to change the development modifiers a little. There are too many 20+ year careers. Of course, I'm running this on Patch #2, so I'll have to run more tests on Patch #3 when I update to that.

10-19-2007, 10:09 AM	#50
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Okay, going to run another sim while at work today. Dropped the league totals in hits modifier to .950 instead of 1.000. We'll see what kind of effect that has. I also bumped Injuries from Low to Average (that should help a little with prolonged careers). I like the general totals I'm seeing aside from so many guys getting 3,000+ hits with 20+ year careers.

10-19-2007, 09:47 PM	#51
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Stupid me, I forgot the modifier was going to change automatically anyways over the years.

10-20-2007, 08:50 AM	#52
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Okay, let's see how the player aging/development changes affect things. I also simmed until the 1913 draft just to change Ruth from a SP to a LFer. I got sick of seeing him out of baseball as a pitcher by the time he was 30ish. Results after work. Eventually.

10-22-2007, 04:02 PM	#53
ckash Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Crofton, MD Posts: 18	Don't leave us hanging!

10-22-2007, 05:44 PM	#54
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	My apologies. I continue to get results I don't want. 50-100 guys with 3,000+ hits every sim is frustrating.

10-30-2007, 03:39 PM	#55
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,936	In your first year or two, did you have trouble with a group of players getting picked up and dropped by every team ?

10-30-2007, 11:47 PM	#58
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	25 players, using basic AAA/AA/A minor leagues.

11-03-2007, 01:51 PM	#60
fredmanrique Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 76	Are you using Lahman? I just did one w/ Gambo and it came out pretty darn good- 20-25 w/ 3000, 300 winners were actually low, etc. Set the development modifiers down to .5 (still led to some players starting pretty early) and aging to 1.3. Could be tweaked, but overall pretty solid results.