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Old 09-30-2019, 12:12 PM   #1
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Warning! Gold relegated 4 teams starting last week!

So I didn't see this announced anywhere, but Gold level, starting last week, started relegating 4 teams instead of 2. I think it is good that they are increasing relegations for more levels, but confused as to why they did it only for gold. Here is the current team breakdown:

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level	teams	leagues	act_lg	promote	relegat	net	newtms	%gain
perfect	1576	52.53	53	0	212	68	1644	4.3%
diamond	2094	69.80	70	280	140	64	2158	3.1%
gold	2018	67.27	68	272	272	-40	1978	-2.0%
silver	2720	90.67	91	364	182	122	2842	4.5%
bronze	2942	98.07	99	396	198	-28	2914	-1.0%
iron	2866	95.53	96	384	0	-72	2794	-2.5%
	14216	473.9	477	114			14330
As you can see, gold level will continue to drop faster relative to diamond level and a glut will develop at silver level. There are already more bronze leagues than iron leagues and now, more diamond leagues than gold leagues due to this change.
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Old 09-30-2019, 03:39 PM   #2
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The layout really should be more like a pyramid. Something like 5% Perfect(~700 teams), 10% Diamond(~1400 teams), 15% Gold(2100 teams), 20% Silver(2800 teams), 25% for both Bronze & Iron(3500 teams each). That would total about 14,000 teams (current total).
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Old 09-30-2019, 04:17 PM   #3
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I would opine that the league system should be thicker near the bottom-middle, so Silver should have the most leagues. There is no point in keeping hundreds of well-meaning teams that can't get over the hump in Iron.

But there should not be such a bottleneck at Gold.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:06 AM   #4
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% of total teams in each level

Here are the % of total teams playing at each level:

Iron: 20.2%
Bronze: 20.7%
Silver: 19.1%

Gold: 14.2%
Diamond: 14.7%
Perfect: 11.1%

This is based on the first number...might be based on last week. But 60% bottom 3 levels & 40% top 3, with 1 in 9 teams playing in Perfect.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:10 PM   #5
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Ahhh.... how I wish there was a reset function. I know I've said it before, and I know some of you don't agree... but when I think how involved I was in the beginning and now I barely check twice a week, it's depressing.
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Old 10-06-2019, 03:19 PM   #6
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Ahhh.... how I wish there was a reset function. I know I've said it before, and I know some of you don't agree... but when I think how involved I was in the beginning and now I barely check twice a week, it's depressing.
Agree. Your reward for reaching Perfect is to simply get your butt kicked unless you're willing to dump hundreds of dollars and/or spend hours working the auction house. I have 2 teams in Perfect that lost over 100 games and can't even get relegated. I barely checked in this week.
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Agree. Your reward for reaching Perfect is to simply get your butt kicked unless you're willing to dump hundreds of dollars and/or spend hours working the auction house. I have 2 teams in Perfect that lost over 100 games and can't even get relegated. I barely checked in this week.
In fairness, spending money and/or working the AH really should be the things you need to do in order to have success at the Perfect level, even in an ideal world. I mean, what's the alternative? Letting any random team regardless of time or money commitment be a regular playoff contender at the highest level?
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In fairness, spending money and/or working the AH really should be the things you need to do in order to have success at the Perfect level, even in an ideal world. I mean, what's the alternative? Letting any random team regardless of time or money commitment be a regular playoff contender at the highest level?
No, the alternative is a reset. The other possibility is to block yourself from getting into Perfect - but I understand that some would use that to win even more games in Diamond. The best option is to allow players to "give up" by starting over - it doesn't hurt anyone.
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No, the alternative is a reset. The other possibility is to block yourself from getting into Perfect - but I understand that some would use that to win even more games in Diamond. The best option is to allow players to "give up" by starting over - it doesn't hurt anyone.
Unlikely. Players would frequently just steamroll through a few levels, get to Perfect, reset, then repeat. The entire purpose of a ladder (which exists in lots of games) is to pair players of equal skill against one another. Providing an easy avenue for experienced players to "smurf" against new players doesn't work in that system, which is why other games with ladders also don't have a reset option. Besides, each player is allowed 3 teams. For those who want resets, why not just hold off on using all 3 licenses and use the 2nd and 3rd teams as the reset?
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Unlikely. Players would frequently just steamroll through a few levels, get to Perfect, reset, then repeat. The entire purpose of a ladder (which exists in lots of games) is to pair players of equal skill against one another. Providing an easy avenue for experienced players to "smurf" against new players doesn't work in that system, which is why other games with ladders also don't have a reset option. Besides, each player is allowed 3 teams. For those who want resets, why not just hold off on using all 3 licenses and use the 2nd and 3rd teams as the reset?
Although I disagree on your view of a Reset, I won't belabor the point since I have little hope it would be considered seriously by the developers. My original comment was a "cry in the dark" so-to-speak to relieve my frustration.

Your suggestion of distributing the original 3 teams across 12 months, however, has merit. One would have to give up the concept of theme teams (more or less) but a fresh start every 4 months would probably eliminate the boredom factor that sets in after 6. I have to give that some thought.
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In fairness, spending money and/or working the AH really should be the things you need to do in order to have success at the Perfect level, even in an ideal world. I mean, what's the alternative? Letting any random team regardless of time or money commitment be a regular playoff contender at the highest level?
All I'm saying is that there comes an endpoint where the game is no longer fun for the casual player. Of course, there's an endpoint for the rich guys, too once they have acquired all the best cards. There's no place to go after that, but it takes a little longer to get to that endpoint.

Side note: I don't have the time or money to invest in chasing that goal, but I can't help but think of the empty feeling that must eventually come over somebody at the end of hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours when they realize that they've reached the top of the mountain and there's nothing left to do, but I digress...

I'm hoping that tournaments will spice things up again, but time will tell.
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