How to set ticket prices?

Justmeingardner · 03-22-2015, 01:17 AM

I'm sure it's something simple I'm overlooking, but can anybody help me figure out how to set ticket prices? Been able to do it in other versions of the game...I'm playing as GM and MGR if that makes a difference. Thanks in advance.
Am LOVING OOTP 16...been playing since 5, but this is just AMAZING!

megamanmatt · 03-22-2015, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Justmeingardner

I'm sure it's something simple I'm overlooking, but can anybody help me figure out how to set ticket prices? Been able to do it in other versions of the game...I'm playing as GM and MGR if that makes a difference. Thanks in advance.
Am LOVING OOTP 16...been playing since 5, but this is just AMAZING!

Been wondering myself. I think (not sure) it might be something that can only be set in the offseason or preseason now.

Aceshigh24 · 03-22-2015, 01:55 AM

You should be able to click on the $ sign on the side menu on the bottom right. From there you should be able to find the ticket prices.

megamanmatt · 03-22-2015, 01:57 AM

They can't be altered though. That's the thing.

Aceshigh24 · 03-22-2015, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

They can't be altered though. That's the thing.

Huh, don't think I've ever noticed that before. I wonder if that's something that was changed. Doesn't seem to make sense that you can't change the prices during the year especially if your team sucks and you want more fans to show up.

megamanmatt · 03-22-2015, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Aceshigh24

Huh, don't think I've ever noticed that before. I wonder if that's something that was changed. Doesn't seem to make sense that you can't change the prices during the year especially if your team sucks and you want more fans to show up.

The addition of season tickets is probably why.

Matt Arnold · 03-22-2015, 02:50 AM

Yup, it was changed to only set them in the off-season, before the winter meetings end, and they're locked in for the season. Up to you to pick a reasonable ticket price for the season.

cdidman · 03-22-2015, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yup, it was changed to only set them in the off-season, before the winter meetings end, and they're locked in for the season. Up to you to pick a reasonable ticket price for the season.

Like the pitchers warming up getting tired after 40 pitches, another change that makes no sense. Why on earth would this have been changed in the game? So if we want to try and certain ticket price and the fans don't like it and our attendance is hurt, we can't change it during the season to correct a mistake? How about at playoff time? From what you are saying, you can't raise ticket prices during the playoffs either?

byzeil · 03-22-2015, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cdidman

Like the pitchers warming up getting tired after 40 pitches, another change that makes no sense. Why on earth would this have been changed in the game? So if we want to try and certain ticket price and the fans don't like it and our attendance is hurt, we can't change it during the season to correct a mistake? How about at playoff time? From what you are saying, you can't raise ticket prices during the playoffs either?

It was stated elsewhere that internally ticket prices are doubled for the playoffs.

The Wolf · 03-22-2015, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cdidman

Like the pitchers warming up getting tired after 40 pitches, another change that makes no sense. Why on earth would this have been changed in the game? So if we want to try and certain ticket price and the fans don't like it and our attendance is hurt, we can't change it during the season to correct a mistake? How about at playoff time? From what you are saying, you can't raise ticket prices during the playoffs either?

Personally I like both changes. You can't keep pitchers warmed up without tiring them, and ticket prices do get set before the season so that people can buy tickets for future games. I realize that your mileage varies here, but this is the exact kind of increased realism that I have been looking for in OOTP and I'm glad to see it.

Lou Gehrig · 03-22-2015, 11:04 AM

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I realize that your mileage varies here, but this is the exact kind of increased realism that I have been looking for in OOTP and I'm glad to see it.

I feel the same way.

Maybe the fatigue might need to be tweaked but that's it.

megamanmatt · 03-22-2015, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cdidman

Like the pitchers warming up getting tired after 40 pitches, another change that makes no sense. Why on earth would this have been changed in the game? So if we want to try and certain ticket price and the fans don't like it and our attendance is hurt, we can't change it during the season to correct a mistake? How about at playoff time? From what you are saying, you can't raise ticket prices during the playoffs either?

Actually it makes perfect sense so I'm not entirely sure where this "no sense" nonsense comes from.

cdidman · 03-22-2015, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Actually it makes perfect sense so I'm not entirely sure where this "no sense" nonsense comes from.

The no sense comes from all over the place in MLB they are doing tiered pricing, meaning they offer tickets for a group of teams at one price, then another tier of pricing for the same tickets, but with just better teams. In Miami they call it Dynamic Pricing meaning they have the right to adjust ticket pricing based on teams, demand, star players, standings, rivalries and even the day of the week. So this means teams are changing the ticket prices all the time and at any time they want.

That's why if you are looking for OOTP to keep going in the direction of realism that they do so well at, I don't understand why they would move to taking away being able to change ticket prices or add pitchers tiring in the bull pen warming up.

It's not a big deal at all, just surprised me is all.

megamanmatt · 03-22-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cdidman

The no sense comes from all over the place in MLB they are doing tiered pricing, meaning they offer tickets for a group of teams at one price, then another tier of pricing for the same tickets, but with just better teams. In Miami they call it Dynamic Pricing meaning they have the right to adjust ticket pricing based on teams, demand, star players, standings, rivalries and even the day of the week. So this means teams are changing the ticket prices all the time and at any time they want.

That's why if you are looking for OOTP to keep going in the direction of realism that they do so well at, I don't understand why they would move to taking away being able to change ticket prices or add pitchers tiring in the bull pen warming up.

It's not a big deal at all, just surprised me is all.

Your argument is based on the concept that OOTP's pricing represents reality in any sort of way. It doesn't. It never has. It is an abstraction and always has been.

The way it now works ensures the player cannot game the system to their advantage. I'm completely fine with that.

Matt Arnold · 03-23-2015, 04:00 AM

During the beta, I remember a few people mentioned how this is a game-saver for an online league, where teams were constantly gaming the system, especially around playoff time.

Yes, the current system is certainly a simplification of real world data. We can certainly look into ways in later versions to be able to adjust things - maybe something simple like "slash ticket prices", which will adjust ticket prices down for the rest of the season, but may come with other consequences. And if more and more teams do end up moving to a more dynamic pricing scheme, we can certainly look into the best way to adjust that - It could even be something simple like you deciding whether you want dynamic pricing or not, and the game internally would adjust attendance and revenues for the game accordingly.

congotim · 04-20-2015, 02:00 PM

Rather than dictate how every league do this, why not just add a second checkbox for dynamic pricing? If you want to allow teams to be able to adjust prices all year, it's a checkbox. Gaming the system is not an issue in my league but now teams are stuck with a financial setup they didn't even know was coming. Rebuilding teams are stuck with high ticket prices and no attendance. I am able to adjust for them manually, but that's a pain for me when it was something that was so simple before.

Shadoshryke · 04-20-2015, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

During the beta, I remember a few people mentioned how this is a game-saver for an online league, where teams were constantly gaming the system, especially around playoff time.

Yes, the current system is certainly a simplification of real world data. We can certainly look into ways in later versions to be able to adjust things - maybe something simple like "slash ticket prices", which will adjust ticket prices down for the rest of the season, but may come with other consequences. And if more and more teams do end up moving to a more dynamic pricing scheme, we can certainly look into the best way to adjust that - It could even be something simple like you deciding whether you want dynamic pricing or not, and the game internally would adjust attendance and revenues for the game accordingly.

Out of curiosity I did a bit of a google search on different MLB team "Average Ticket Price". I found a site that gave the past few decades of calculated average prices for pre-season, season and post season playoffs) tickets. I pulled up my MLB 2016 setup and found that the tickets for most of the teams were right in line with that average.

You can do a pull of total average or just by team. For a brand new major league level team setting, the price per ticket matches the national average ticket pre-season, and scales by fan base, just as RL does.

So, though it may not be exact, it does a pretty good job of pulling the average of the statistical information available.

So, when I set up a new game that is suppose to have some realism based off of RL, I just hop on google, search up the "average ticket price for [team]", and then adjust the tickets in preseason to the average of those teams. Works out well, and I adjust based on their performance in the previous year for the next year.

Just for fun, the key site I use, Statista.com, shows that the average MLB ticket price per game is actually $31.82 currently.

? Average ticket price for a MLB game by team 2015 | Statistic

Shadoshryke · 04-20-2015, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by congotim

Rather than dictate how every league do this, why not just add a second checkbox for dynamic pricing? If you want to allow teams to be able to adjust prices all year, it's a checkbox. Gaming the system is not an issue in my league but now teams are stuck with a financial setup they didn't even know was coming. Rebuilding teams are stuck with high ticket prices and no attendance. I am able to adjust for them manually, but that's a pain for me when it was something that was so simple before.

You get into the challenge, with dynamic pricing, of having to work in additional calculations. If you get too dynamic, you have a lot more algorithms that become needed to work out the portions for each team based playing. Then do you play into those that want to have season ticket prices and tiered prices, and have the system calculate all of the results based on total ticket value for two different priced teams (say a base $27 plays a base $52 team).

That just increases the chance of errors and bugs in the financial system. I think working off of an "average" works in the overall statistical model of this type of game.

There is a good median for the whole thing. I know you consider the team rebuilding, but I have really messed around with prices in one league, and found that in OOTP, pricing doesn't seem to affect fan base attendance like that. I modified a team from $20 to $75 ticket price, and attendance had more to do with their performance and fan base than ticket price in this game.

bunkscene · 09-30-2015, 08:38 AM

I think it would be interesting to be able to adjust prices mid season.

I like the ability to set the price before the season, as this is what happens in real life. I don't think we need dynamic pricing because the ticket price is just average ticket price. I also like the addition of season tickets.

I think it would be nice to add a couple features:

Show all advance ticket sales per game based on team popularity/Market/projected record/etc. This could be dynamic over the season based on real life trends. (colder vs warmer months, weekend for weeknight, day/night, early vs late season).
Add ability to add discounts to the the tickets in season. If there are unsold seats due to either too high price or the team is not doing well, you can try to get fans in the seats with discounts. This mimics real life.

Friendly_Beaver · 09-30-2015, 10:07 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but the idea that you can change your ticket prices mid season making things more realistic is absurd.

Has a team ever changed their prices mid season? How would they even handle that, give a refund to people who bought tickets in advance/season ticket holders? I can't see this ever happening, sure they do some giveaways and packages where you buy tickets you get a hotdog/drink with it etc but I've never heard of a team saying, we jacked our prices way out of line this year so we will reduce them for the rest of the year and if they did, the person who made that decision (you) probably wouldn't have a job anymore.

In my opinion if you made the prices too high that's your own fault, if you raised prices with low fan interest and loyalty and knowing you weren't going to have a good team that's not OOTP's fault.

03-22-2015, 01:17 AM	#1
Justmeingardner Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 95	How to set ticket prices? I'm sure it's something simple I'm overlooking, but can anybody help me figure out how to set ticket prices? Been able to do it in other versions of the game...I'm playing as GM and MGR if that makes a difference. Thanks in advance. Am LOVING OOTP 16...been playing since 5, but this is just AMAZING!

03-22-2015, 01:57 AM	#4
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09-30-2015, 08:38 AM	#19
bunkscene Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 50	I think it would be interesting to be able to adjust prices mid season. I like the ability to set the price before the season, as this is what happens in real life. I don't think we need dynamic pricing because the ticket price is just average ticket price. I also like the addition of season tickets. I think it would be nice to add a couple features: Show all advance ticket sales per game based on team popularity/Market/projected record/etc. This could be dynamic over the season based on real life trends. (colder vs warmer months, weekend for weeknight, day/night, early vs late season). Add ability to add discounts to the the tickets in season. If there are unsold seats due to either too high price or the team is not doing well, you can try to get fans in the seats with discounts. This mimics real life.

03-22-2015, 01:55 AM	#3
Aceshigh24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 636	You should be able to click on the $ sign on the side menu on the bottom right. From there you should be able to find the ticket prices.

03-22-2015, 02:50 AM	#7
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,124	Yup, it was changed to only set them in the off-season, before the winter meetings end, and they're locked in for the season. Up to you to pick a reasonable ticket price for the season.

03-23-2015, 04:00 AM	#15
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,124	During the beta, I remember a few people mentioned how this is a game-saver for an online league, where teams were constantly gaming the system, especially around playoff time. Yes, the current system is certainly a simplification of real world data. We can certainly look into ways in later versions to be able to adjust things - maybe something simple like "slash ticket prices", which will adjust ticket prices down for the rest of the season, but may come with other consequences. And if more and more teams do end up moving to a more dynamic pricing scheme, we can certainly look into the best way to adjust that - It could even be something simple like you deciding whether you want dynamic pricing or not, and the game internally would adjust attendance and revenues for the game accordingly.

04-20-2015, 02:00 PM	#16
congotim Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 48	Rather than dictate how every league do this, why not just add a second checkbox for dynamic pricing? If you want to allow teams to be able to adjust prices all year, it's a checkbox. Gaming the system is not an issue in my league but now teams are stuck with a financial setup they didn't even know was coming. Rebuilding teams are stuck with high ticket prices and no attendance. I am able to adjust for them manually, but that's a pain for me when it was something that was so simple before.

09-30-2015, 10:07 AM	#20
Friendly_Beaver Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 86	Correct me if I'm wrong but the idea that you can change your ticket prices mid season making things more realistic is absurd. Has a team ever changed their prices mid season? How would they even handle that, give a refund to people who bought tickets in advance/season ticket holders? I can't see this ever happening, sure they do some giveaways and packages where you buy tickets you get a hotdog/drink with it etc but I've never heard of a team saying, we jacked our prices way out of line this year so we will reduce them for the rest of the year and if they did, the person who made that decision (you) probably wouldn't have a job anymore. In my opinion if you made the prices too high that's your own fault, if you raised prices with low fan interest and loyalty and knowing you weren't going to have a good team that's not OOTP's fault.