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Old 02-17-2020, 01:56 PM   #381
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Since referring to the WS trophy as "a piece of metal", I am certain that Manfred either #1 just hates baseball and doesn't give a crap, or #2 he is somehow involved in the scandal.
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Old 02-17-2020, 03:00 PM   #382
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The fact that the commissioner went on record and basically admitted that the union has him by his balls is a worse concern for the future of the MLB than the cheating scandal itself.
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Old 02-17-2020, 04:43 PM   #383
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Manfred assumed what the union would do. Maybe the union would have taken the attitude that identifying the guilty would be protection for the innocent. Like right now, we have three years of Astros players assumed to be guilty by association.
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Old 02-17-2020, 05:47 PM   #384
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It's probably been mentioned earlier in this thread, but that S.O.B. Altuve, who stole the M.V.P. from Judge in 2017, was wearing a buzzer in 2019. No doubt. Everytime I see that video clip, I am more convinced of that. What a piece of s***. The umps should frisk this clown every time he comes to the plate.

If you are one of the 4 people in America who have not seen this, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ryvOya4PoE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWKLDm8ZI6Q

EDIT: Watch the post-game video with Ken Rosenthal asking why he didn't want his shirt ripped off. Altuve gives the lame excuse that his wife would be mad at him. He did not deny wanting/needing to keep his shirt on. And the reason is, his wife would be mad at him for exposing his pecs? At a time like this? That response alone is proof. If there is only one other person who needs to be punished, Altuve is that guy.
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:04 PM   #385
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It has occurred to me that perhaps the Astros deny "buzzer" because the device alerted the wearer by a method other than buzzing.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:47 AM   #386
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Astros pitcher suspended the whole season.
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:26 AM   #387
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My favourite thing to come out of this mess so far:



https://www.tsn.ca/jay-and-dan/video...candal~1901907



EDIT: Doesn't seem to work with Firefox, but definitely works in Google Chrome.
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:42 AM   #388
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Tried the link. Came up as content only available in Canada.
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:47 AM   #389
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Tried the link. Came up as content only available in Canada.
I hate this territorial, you can only watch this if you live here garbage. Basically they used fake closed captioning over top of his joke press conference. It was a really good bit. I'll try to find a link on da youtubes over the next few days.
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Try this one:


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EDIT: This one does work on Firefox, so *fingers crossed* hopefully it will also work outside Canada.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:27 AM   #391
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That's good.

If he could be a little ruder he could run for President.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:39 AM   #392
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The last Lee Iacocca book was Where Have The Leaders Gone. Well, we have Eddie Lambert who has lined his pockets with Sears/Kmart money; Elon Musk who over promises, under delivers, and believes there's a separate set of non rules for him, and Manfred who has concocted a line of BS to cover either his laziness or incompetence.
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I was thinking about this and thought.

1) Could it weaken the players union, who do they stand up for? The Astros players or the ever increasing number of players venting their anger at the Astros players.

2) Bit like 1 does it weaken the commissioners position, are the owners thinking more and more players are getting angry at Manfred and it may effect future contract talks with the union.

3) Will this effect short term trades with the Astros? Will players on a team on hearing their team is trading for an Astros player turn round and say we don't want him.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:44 AM   #394
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They are still investigating the Red Sox, right? Wonder when the findings of that investigation will be announced. I wonder if one of the main reason Manfred didn't vacate the 2017 Astro World Series title is the fact that he knows the 2018 title will need to be vacated as well?.

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Old 02-19-2020, 10:22 AM   #395
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I was thinking about this and thought.

1) Could it weaken the players union, who do they stand up for? The Astros players or the ever increasing number of players venting their anger at the Astros players.
Had penalties been assessed against the players, it would have been the Union's responsibility, both legally and ethically, to defend the players punished and, from a reasonable amount of reading about the grievance process, the league would have had a very tough time winning those grievances.

I don't think it will hurt the union and it is quite possible to defend individual players if needed and still be in favor of rule changes protecting the rest of your rank and file.
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Good points from Teixeira - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQLJNvTx0X4 (Go to 3:26 mark)

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I've got problems within the MLBPA statement refuting Manfred's contention the union held up the investigation to get the Astros' players immunity...

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This was not surprising because the applicable rules did not allow for player discipline, because even if they did players were never notified of the rules to begin with,
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and because in past cases involving electronic sign stealing MLB had stated that Club personnel were responsible for ensuring compliance with the rules.
And in the last case w/the RSox, you know, the one that spawned the memo the union claims the locker room know nothing about, it said the parameters & scope of punishment would change.
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They are still investigating the Red Sox, right? Wonder when the findings of that investigation will be announced. I wonder if one of the main reason Manfred didn't vacate the 2017 Astro World Series title is the fact that he knows the 2018 title will need to be vacated as well?.
Except the precedent of not vacating the 2017 title will make vacating the 2018 a practical impossibility. Going back and doing both together (in effect, overturning his original ruling) would make Manfred and MLB look like even bigger wienies than they already appear.

This is only going to get worse, folks. The Asstros have poisoned the game of baseball and ruined it for the vast majority of fans. The Red Sox will make this worse. As has been written, if Howie Kendrick's homer had curved a bit more to the left, we might be looking at the last three World Series needing to be vacated.

As to the sport on the field, all Asstro batters will be thrown at. Altuve and Correa (and is this why he stands alone in contrition?) will be the objects of hard slides at second base. I fear only blood or serious injury will end this for 2020, while the effects linger much like the Black Sox.

Perhaps suspending Altuve in 2020 'for his own good' could cool the situation.
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They are still investigating the Red Sox, right? Wonder when the findings of that investigation will be announced. I wonder if one of the main reason Manfred didn't vacate the 2017 Astro World Series title is the fact that he knows the 2018 title will need to be vacated as well?.
Yep. Not sure when it's coming out though. He's been locked up with press conferences most of the week, but I'm sure there are people at MLB head office wading through the garbage juice, and hopefully it'll be out soon. Could double the excitement of spring training 2020.
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...Correa (and is this why he stands alone in contrition?) will be the objects of hard slides at second base.
Not sure staring into the camera and saying "Without knowing all the facts about Altuve's role in this, people need to shut the f*** up!" qualifies as contrition. At least not in my books. He did fine in the original interviews in the clubhouse, but calling Ken Rosenthal back for a supplemental statement could turn out to be a huge misstep that shifts the brunt of the retaliation from Bregman, and Altuve back on to him.
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