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04-23-2004, 09:50 PM | #1 |
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I know it's not boxing, but....
I find it very sad that Pat Tillman, the ex-football player who passed up a multi-year million dollar contract to join the army and go to afganistan after 9/11, was killed in action today. I feel the NFL should give the man a first year Hall of Fame induction, not because of his playing ability, but because of his unselfish decision that ultimately cost him his life. I think he should be honored, what do you all think?
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04-23-2004, 10:49 PM | #2 |
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I agree 100% if ever a man deserved to be in the HOF it's Pat Tillman
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04-23-2004, 11:45 PM | #3 |
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Well I dont just want to feel sorry for his family but all the families, I dont think he should get any Spceial treatment he is not better then any of those other people who died for the country. Yes he is unselfish and I do understand all the Tv time his death has been getting and I think thats enough. We can put people in HOF for fighting for our country, it dont work that way.
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Well I've tried to ignore you since you PM'd me challenging me to a fight .... by the way I never saw you at the address I gave you big man .... but I can't ignore your pussy ass comments now .... Yes we can put him in our Football HOF, mainly because he is simply the greatest "MAN" ever to don a football uniform .... You are right we can't put everyone in a HOF for fighting for our country .... but not everyone turned down a 3 million a year contract to do so .... If you don't feel he is worthy then what the **** did you do to protect our country from attacks like 9/11 ... read my posts in other forums .,... I feel like less of a man for what Pat Tillman did for our country ....
Please Eric continue to be a little bitch and badmouth Pat Tillman .... maybe for his football achievements he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF but in the "being a man" category he most certainly qualifies ... Do you Eric? I know I do not because I stood by and let our country be attacked with no repercussions on my part. Pat Tillman is a better man that anyone else in the HOF and deserves special consideration ..... I have left you alone Eric since you challenged me to a fight then bitched out but I will not let you be a little bitch on this subject .... If you have a problem I PM'd you my address please (I beg of you) come find me ..... |
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Right and you think your a man by calling me bitches and disrespecting me? How can you sit here and call someone else a man while your acting like a He/she I pm'd you to warn you not to mention my name again and I wont mention yours.
See Im not bashing Pat But you can't put people in HOf that dont deserve to be there! Is he a man? Yes! Is here a hero? Yes! Are there more heros who already died for our country? YES! But he did not do enough in football to be in the HOF! Do that mean that I dont want him there for what he done for this country and the sacrafice he made for us? NO! It's just how the cards are played. We can't put people in Hall of fames for being a great man, If that was the case then im sure the HOF will be meaningless. Hall of fame should have nothing to do with your personal life or things aside from the sport your in. I dont care if someone was a drug head and beat his wife if he did what he did on the field, ring and court and put up HOF numbers he should be in. Thats like someone saying well Jim miller should start for the bears because he is a great guy. It wont happend. And should not happend because its someone else who deserves to play that position even though that person might not be a "hero" or a "great guy" but he is the better guy for the job. Pm me Gone head cause I had enough of you! If the world was the way you wanted then Great guys will have all the Great jobs even though they dont know a damn thing about the great job they have! Last edited by erickdamac; 04-24-2004 at 01:11 AM. |
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Pat Tillman was a great man.
He was a slightly above average Pro football player. Slightly above average pro football players do not make the HOF in Canton. He gets special mention due to the FACT that he was either a Millionaire or soon to be, and he CHOSE to enlist in the Army KNOWING he would see active duty during this war. Again, a great man but not a HOF football player. |
04-24-2004, 02:23 AM | #7 |
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How about a Heroes Hall of Fame?
There should be a Heroes Hall of Fame where people who gave their life for this country. Or gave their life for saving others are enshrined there for All-Time. It should make no distinction whether they were famous, or unknowns. All have payed the ultimate sacrifice by giving their lives to save others. They are all equals. All are true heroes...
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Be careful *a can of worms could be opened here*
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First of all, this post is not meant to take away anything from Pat Tillman, but I tend to agree with the opposition. When I read the first post on this thread, I immediately felt the same as Mudster. However, after reading the other comments, I have to agree. When it comes to war or defending our country, you cant single certain people out simply because they sacrificed more than others did.
I certainly think that Tillman should have his name somewhere in the HOF (maybe a plaque or something), but not on the same level as Walter Payton or Dick Butkus or Joe Montana. The minimum salary in the NFL these days in $450,000... that could make any man comfortable for the rest of his life. Im sure that more than a few football players have passed up money to go and fight in a war, but they shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. You have to question what you're saying here...??? Would a football player worth $450,000 be just as eligible for the HOF as a million dollar player? They both gave up large chunks of money right? Also, like Erick said about the opposite approach.... What about the druggie who beats his wife and owes $300,000 in child support to some woman he screwed years ago? They are put in the HOF based on achievment in their respective sport, not anything else. Now, if he used to play for the Minnesota Vikings... well, thats different. Consider this: If some journeyman fighter signed a contract worth a million dollars to fight Oscar De La Hoya on PPV, but then pulled out of that contract to defend our country... should he be in the Boxing HOF?
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See mh im not the only one to feel this way, we are not bashing him or taking anything away from him, what he did was unselfish and was brave, just like the other soldies who are dead and alive, because when it all comes down to it, they all are unselfish because they all have familys and they all are risking their lives.
I was watching espn last night I found out that he himself refused to do interviews! Wanna kno why? Because he said he was no diffrent then the rest of the soldiers! now that you see 80% of the guys who replied feel the same way I do maybe you will think before you go do a all out attack on someone because what I said was not disrespectful it is my opinion and im not the only one who feels this way. Mh you really need to keep my name out your mouth man cause im tring my best to obey Adres wishes but your pushin my limits! Mh You remind me of my little sisters when someone dont get them something right then and there, or dont do what they say, they throw alittle fit! So are you going to throw a little fit at everyone else in the thread who didn't agree to Mr. Mh? Badguy the Cardinals (the team he played for) can retire his jersey number, and hang it up in the stadium. And Mudster im not saying you and Mh are wrong or anything but im simply expressing my opion don't take it as im saying im right your wrong, its just how I feel about it. Last edited by erickdamac; 04-24-2004 at 09:56 AM. |
04-24-2004, 11:50 AM | #11 |
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I think my thoughts were taken incorrectly. Speaking from a Joe Commonguy perspective, no, he should not be treated any more special than any other of the heros that gave their lives for our country....he should be honored just the same. What I was saying is that the NFL should honor him for being more of a warrior and a patriot than anyone else in the game. I really didn't think this would turn into a flamefest or had the makings to be one.
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04-24-2004, 11:58 AM | #12 |
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The Arizona Cardinals and the Arizona State Sun Devils are each retiring his number.
I guarantee the NFL will have a moment of silence for him at each game the Opening week of the season. They may put a plaque in the HOF about his service, but he won't actually be inducted into the HOF. His decision to serve is remarkable due to his being a Millionaire. I wonder how many other Millionaires are serving now?? Why don't we see some 18-25 year old movie/music stars enlisting? This alone tells you Pat was different. |
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Good post GDE I agree completley. The man gave his life fighting for his country. End of story.
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GDE...AMEN!!!
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First of all, how do you know the guy would even want to be in the hall of fame for such a thing. Pat Tillman never cared about public recognition. Football is a game. War is real. It's disrespectful to even associate the NFL hall of fame with people who died serving the country. The guy did everything he could to avoid the attention when he quit the nfl to join the rangers...It's not fair to him, to, and it disrespects all the parties involved...imo
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04-24-2004, 09:27 PM | #16 |
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BamBam has a good point there...didn't think of it that way. Given how he handled the whole "joining the army" thing, he probably would be insulted that the others who lost their lives aren't gaining the same recognition. On a whole different scale though, it's kinda like saying we shouldn't celebrate Christmas and Easter because Jesus wouldn't want the attention either.....
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I can appreciate what he has done for our country but I seriously hope that you are not comparing him to Jesus Christ.
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GDE correctly made a comment about music/movie stars not doing what he did. You'll never see movie stars doing that because most of them are self hating americans. I'm still waiting for Baldwin to leave the country as he promised if Bush got elected. Now, I don't agree with everything that Bush is doing, and I do think he's getting some misinformation from people in his administration but Baldwin leaving the country was good enough of a reason to vote for Bush.
My personal feeling is we should become isolationists and cut off all of the involuntary aid we provide the whole *&%$# world. That money could be used in our own country to solve most of our problems. The whole world wouldn't be mad at us for being involved in everyone's business and we wouldn't have to be up to our ears in taxes and utility bills, which are largely taxes. I know however that this will never happen because pockets are being greased, and it doesn't matter which administration is in. Dempsonny
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The only problem with that Dempsonny is that then people would be pissed at us for not doing anything .... It's just like the game releases ... Hurry up and get it too us but it better be bug free .... There is a large % of people complaining about Bush right now that will be complaining about Kerry if he gets elected, it's just their personality ....
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04-30-2004, 04:25 PM | #20 |
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I agree MH you can't please everyone but the Hollywood crowd only complains about Republicans, none of them had a problem with what Clinton did and they all blamed the economy on Bush even though the economy began to nose dive a year and a half before Clinton left office.
This war is turning into a mess though. We went in without enough fire power. We should have stayed out or gone in to win. It is starting to look more like 9-11 and Iraq were not connected even according to Rumsfeld, but I don't know if I believe that totally. Dempsonny Dempsonny
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