MLB 2019 thread - Page 21

CBeisbol · 10-27-2019, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

And in the playoffs mediocrity is magnified.

I'm not sure exactly what this is supposed to mean.
Tons of mediocre players have had impactful World Series moments

monkeyman576 · 10-27-2019, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

I'm not sure exactly what this is supposed to mean.
Tons of mediocre players have had impactful World Series moments

So you'd rather have a mediocre player than a hall of
famer ?

CBeisbol · 10-27-2019, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

So you'd rather have a mediocre player than a hall of
famer ?

Did I say anything that a reasonable person could construe as my saying that?

Of course you want better players
The Nationals have better relievers on their playoff roster than those that contributed to those poor season numbers

Cobra Mgr · 10-27-2019, 09:05 PM

Why would they play "Afternoon Delight" showing highlights of a WS game? The WS hasn't been an "afternoon delight" since the 70's.

Westheim · 10-27-2019, 09:14 PM

I think Yulieski Gurriel needs a bump to his defensive rating at first base. A paltry 70 in PT. What a pity!

If I learned to appreciate somebody not on my radar previously this postseason, it's Gurriel.

monkeyman576 · 10-27-2019, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Did I say anything that a reasonable person could construe as my saying that?

Of course you want better players
The Nationals have better relievers on their playoff roster than those that contributed to those poor season numbers

My point is the replacements aren't good enough to stop being a liability.

dkgo · 10-28-2019, 08:33 AM

It completely boggles the mind that everyone at home can see instantly if a pitch was a strike or not but we still leave it to umpires to just give it their best guess and determine the game

Westheim · 10-28-2019, 10:11 AM

Do we know that Pitch f/x or whatever it is now is 100% accurate?

CBeisbol · 10-28-2019, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

Do we know that Pitch f/x or whatever it is now is 100% accurate?

It's absolutely not

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/n...-simple-think/

Reed · 10-28-2019, 02:03 PM

The Atlantic League used robo umps this past year. I think the consensus was that it is not ready for prime time but will get there. From what I have read, fastballs that were a little high were being called strikes so they had to adjust the strike zone down a little and there are some other adjustments that need to be made and studied.

Cobra Mgr · 10-28-2019, 02:45 PM

Apparently, I'm hearing there were some other distractions in the game last night besides fluctuating strike zones?

thehef · 10-28-2019, 02:50 PM

I'm not at all against technology/robo-umps, whenever it's ready, but it still boggles my mind that balls & strikes calls by human umps can be so bad. I get that borderline pitches can go either way, and that some of those can be missed. But, hey, those are borderline. But, just as an example, that 3rd strike call to Robles last night was not borderline. It was either incompetence, or the ump was affected by Cole and other Astros complaining about the previous (and correct) ball call.

And, borderline to me is no more than maybe an inch, especially with regards to inside/outside. An ump should be able to get 100% of inside/outside calls correct, if given that inch. Anything more than that is incompetence. It's either over the plate or it's not. (High/low is more-subjective).

At any rate, that was a terrible spot - crucial moment in a key World Series game - for last night's ump to choke.

CBeisbol · 10-28-2019, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by thehef

I'm not at all against technology/robo-umps, whenever it's ready, but it still boggles my mind that balls & strikes calls by human umps can be so bad. I get that borderline pitches can go either way, and that some of those can be missed. But, hey, those are borderline. But, just as an example, that 3rd strike call to Robles last night was not borderline. It was either incompetence, or the ump was affected by Cole and other Astros complaining about the previous (and correct) ball call.

And, borderline to me is no more than maybe an inch, especially with regards to inside/outside. An ump should be able to get 100% of inside/outside calls correct, if given that inch. Anything more than that is incompetence. It's either over the plate or it's not. (High/low is more-subjective).

At any rate, that was a terrible spot - crucial moment in a key World Series game - for last night's ump to choke.

I imagine umping (like hitting) a guy like Cole is pretty tough. Tougher than you make it out to be here

Give the umps the help they need

Westheim · 10-28-2019, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Apparently, I'm hearing there were some other distractions in the game last night besides fluctuating strike zones?

None of which I saw on live TV, but which I heard of now, and which filled my heart with joy.

thehef · 10-28-2019, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

I imagine umping (like hitting) a guy like Cole is pretty tough. Tougher than you make it out to be here

Perhaps. But that pitch was not over the plate. By several inches.

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Give the umps the help they need

For sure.

thehef · 10-28-2019, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Apparently, I'm hearing there were some other distractions in the game last night besides fluctuating strike zones?

Like what? I was only checking on the game, going back and forth between it and Packers/Chiefs, so I may have missed something.

Cobra Mgr · 10-28-2019, 03:23 PM

This is the only piece of evidence you need to show why you need an automated strike zone. Barksdale should immediately be suspended from the series, if not terminated.

dkgo · 10-28-2019, 03:42 PM

I like how that article said the blown calls had "nothing to do with the outcome" as if putting the tying run to the plate in the seventh inning is meaningless.

Cobra Mgr · 10-28-2019, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

I like how that article said the blown calls had "nothing to do with the outcome" as if putting the tying run to the plate in the seventh inning is meaningless.

This is the standard response every time the officials screw up. The media is just as guilty as the owners for not holding the umps/refs accountable. It's the green light for them to make prideful and egotistical decisions w/o fear of repercussions.

CBeisbol · 10-28-2019, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

This is the only piece of evidence you need to show why you need an automated strike zone. Barksdale should immediately be suspended from the series, if not terminated.

This is, of course, the most grievous thing

The umps try to make the right call on pitches going 100 MPH, while cutting, curving and bending this way and that, while standing behind to other dudes and ignoring that the ball, at any time, could bounce off various parts of your body. I can forgive a lot of mistakes.

But this should be looked at intensely by MLB.

10-27-2019, 09:05 PM	#404
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,370	Why would they play "Afternoon Delight" showing highlights of a WS game? The WS hasn't been an "afternoon delight" since the 70's. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

10-27-2019, 09:14 PM	#405
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 11,887	I think Yulieski Gurriel needs a bump to his defensive rating at first base. A paltry 70 in PT. What a pity! If I learned to appreciate somebody not on my radar previously this postseason, it's Gurriel. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 83 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

10-28-2019, 10:11 AM	#408
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 11,887	Do we know that Pitch f/x or whatever it is now is 100% accurate? __________________ Portland Raccoons, 83 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

10-28-2019, 02:45 PM	#411
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,370	Apparently, I'm hearing there were some other distractions in the game last night besides fluctuating strike zones? __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

10-28-2019, 03:23 PM	#417
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,370	This is the only piece of evidence you need to show why you need an automated strike zone. Barksdale should *immediately* be suspended from the series, if not terminated. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

10-28-2019, 08:33 AM	#407
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	It completely boggles the mind that everyone at home can see instantly if a pitch was a strike or not but we still leave it to umpires to just give it their best guess and determine the game

10-28-2019, 02:03 PM	#410
Reed All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,939	The Atlantic League used robo umps this past year. I think the consensus was that it is not ready for prime time but will get there. From what I have read, fastballs that were a little high were being called strikes so they had to adjust the strike zone down a little and there are some other adjustments that need to be made and studied.

10-28-2019, 02:50 PM	#412
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,842	I'm not at all against technology/robo-umps, whenever it's ready, but it still boggles my mind that balls & strikes calls by human umps can be so bad. I get that borderline pitches can go either way, and that some of those can be missed. But, hey, those are borderline. But, just as an example, that 3rd strike call to Robles last night was not borderline. It was either incompetence, or the ump was affected by Cole and other Astros complaining about the previous (and correct) ball call. And, borderline to me is no more than maybe an inch, especially with regards to inside/outside. An ump should be able to get 100% of inside/outside calls correct, if given that inch. Anything more than that is incompetence. It's either over the plate or it's not. (High/low is more-subjective). At any rate, that was a terrible spot - crucial moment in a key World Series game - for last night's ump to choke.

10-28-2019, 03:42 PM	#418
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	I like how that article said the blown calls had "nothing to do with the outcome" as if putting the tying run to the plate in the seventh inning is meaningless.