ACCURACY of the OOTP game engine... check the numbers...

[32koufax]

Only my 3rd post... I love replaying the older seasons. I play as the commissioner and manage the Phils and Yankees... I have these numbers for my just completed 1962 season... Transactions and actual lineups used. About the only adjustment made (prior replays produced CG's in the 900 plus range) was limiting starting pitchers in both leagues to a 140 max per game pitch count.

1962 OOTP18 replay:
OOTP18 and real life MLB STATS:

AB: 112,065 ootp18/ 110,688 real life MLB stats
H: 28,886 / 28,521
2B: 4,339/ 4,313
3B: 794/ 853
HR: 2,913/ 3,001
RBI: 13,520/ 13,546
BB: 10,694/ 10,936
HBP: 723/ 709
SO: 17,278/ 17,567
SB: 1,230/ 1,348
CS: 710/ 701
CS %: .366/ .342
BATTING AVE: .258/ .258
OBP: .324/ .326
SLG: .389/ .393
OPS: .713/ .719
CG: 815/ 844
SV: 600/ 616
BK: 70/ 92
ERA: 3.90/ 3.96
ERRORS: 2,925/ 2,919
FIELD % .977/ .977
DEF % .700/ .703
GIDP: 2,875/ 2,487
WP: 1,044/ 949

Here's a couple of player breakdowns:

Maury Wills:
712 ab/ 207 hits/ 115 runs/ 12- 2b/ 8- 3b/ 6- hr/ 65 rbi / 42 bb/ 67k / .291 ave / .332 ob% /.355 slug%/ 121 sb/ 3 gidp----- OOTP18

695 ab/ 208 hits/ 130 runs/ 13- 2b/ 10- 3b/ 6- hr/ 48 rbi / 51 bb/ 57k / .299 ave / .347 ob%/ .373 slug%/ 104 sb/ 7 gidp----- real life
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Mantle
G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K AVG OBP SLG SB RUNS
154 426 149 18 1 32 91 129 89 .350 .496 .622 6 119 --OOTP18

123 377 121 15 1 30 89 122 78 .321 .486 .605 9 96 --REAL LIFE
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Drysdale
W-L ERA IP HA HR BB K WHIP CG SHO H/9 HR/9 BB/9 K/9
22-11 2.55 314 263 17 68 254 1.05 15 6 7.5 0.5 2.0 6.4
OOTP18

25-9 2.83 314 272 21 78 272 1.13 19 2 7.8 0.6 2.2 6.6-------------------REAL LIFE

Having played all the sim games such as Action, Replay, Strat-O-Matic, etc..., I'm very, very impressed w/ OOTP's game engine for historical replays. Players like Bobby Richardson (25 k's in 692 AB's for real life1962) have produced very believable (20 k's in 700 AB's for OOTP replay) replay numbers. BTW... this is NOT an exception, but the rule.
The fun factor in 3d mode has been an absolute blast. The real life out of town scoreboard really keeps you (if this is your thing, LOL) engaged and on top of all your league action.


Jack

[David Watts]

Love it when folks post stuff like this. Thanks.

[DawnBTVS]

You can also find Historical Sim % within the OOTP Game itself (awesome little feature).

Go to 'Statistics' under your chosen league and up top you'll see: Historical Simulation Accuracy

[32koufax]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Love it when folks post stuff like this. Thanks.

You're welcome David. This game is amazing... In the process of finishing up the '62 World Series, Yanks trailing Dodgers, 2-1 and I'm playing Ralph Houk. Yanks Stafford carries a 2 hitter into the 9th. Fairly and Howard single and I'm thinking... do I bring in the Marshall to face lefty, Willie Davis...? I think not and of course, Willie D. rips a walk off double to put the Dodgers up 3 games to 1. Good stuff even if I'm on the losing end. #32 gets the ball vs. Terry in game 5. A matchup of game 1 in which Koufax pitched a shutout. Yanks will need a miracle as they are a sub .500 team vs southpaws...

[thehef]

Originally Posted by 32koufax

In the process of finishing up the '62 World Series

Same! (Well, I have at least two more games to go...)

Dodgers won first two at home behind stellar pitching of Koufax (13 k's, 1 run), and Drysdale (though he didn't get the win; Perranoski did after T Davis' 10th-inning walk-off dinger)... Yanks get solid pitching from Bill Terry and squeak out a game three win on Hector Lopez' walk-off double, then Whitey Ford rebounds from a game one drubbing by shutting down LA 8-1 in game four blowout... Koufax will take the hill against Bill Stafford in game five... (Dodgers playing without Johnny Roseboro, who got injured in the second-to-last regular season and will miss the entire World Series.)

[32koufax]

I have a game 7 today... Yanks took games 5 and 6 to even the series. Koufax struck out 15 but it wasn't enough in game 6. Moose Skowren had fanned 3x, but had a chance to atone and did so, hitting a 3 run HR to break open a 2-1 Yankee lead in the 7th.

[thehef]

Koufax struck out 11 in game five but the Boys in Blue fell, 3-2, putting the Yanks up three games to two. Skowron's RBI single in the 7th broke a 2-2 tie...

New York then took the series with a 9-4 win back in LA. Drysdale was shaky, giving up 5 runs in five innings, including a 3-run shot to Skowrun in the 5th, and departing with a 5-1 deficit. LA got a run in the bottom of the inning on Tim Harkness' PH homer, then came roaring back in the bottom of the 6th on Tommy Davis' 3-run smash that made it 5-4. But NY pulled away against the Dodgers' bullpen... Skowron (10-26, .385, 10 hits, 3 HR, 8 RBI) was the MVP...

[32koufax]

The Yanks rallied from a 3-1 deficit to take my 1962 series, 4-3. Game 7 was anti-climatic as the Bombers torched Podres and the Dodgers, 7-1.

Ford went 2-0. Stafford dominated game 7 on the hill. Skowron won MVP honors with a .269 ave, 2 HR and 6 rbi.

[ojoe]

I also don't post much, but seeing this, I figured I'd add something that made me happy.

Started in 1871, and worked through 1800s manually, sometimes moving players to the team they actually played for, sometimes not...as long as I had the right teams.

Anyway, I recently finished the 1911 season, which meant the retirement of Cy Young:

W/L record: 512-332 (real-life record: 511-316)
ERA: 2.61 (real: 2.63)
WHIP: 1.11 (real: 1.13)
K/9: 3.7 (real: 3.4)
Shutouts: 77 (real: 76)

And I think this is my favorite part...the real Cy Young threw three no-hitters. He threw one for the Cleveland Spiders, against Cincinnati in 1897. Then he threw two for the Red Sox - against the A's in 1904 and the Yankees in 1908. My Cy Young threw a no-hitter for Cleveland against Washington in 1893, and then two more for the Red Sox - against the A's in 1903 and the Yankees in 1905.

Sure, there were some stats that were off by a more significant margin, but still good.

My Cy Young actually pitched more games and made more starts (966 games and 891 starts, compared to 906 games and 815 starts in real life), and so pitched about 450 more innings (7802.1 vs. 7356). So my Cy Young had 3169 strikeouts compared to the real-life number of 2803. But even with this, my Cy Young threw 688 complete games while the real guy went the distance 749 times.

The real Cy Young also had 17 saves, while my version had 6.

But overall, I really enjoyed seeing how close my Cy Young came to the real thing. Maybe the biggest change is that, since I don't have real transactions going, he stayed with the Red Sox from 1901 to the end of his career.

[32koufax]

Nice post on Cy Young! The OOTP game engine has really given me good overall league numbers and the individual numbers have been more than believable!!! I'm working through the decade of the 60s. To date, the Giants took the flag in '60 and '61. The Yankees rallied to take it in '62 and I'm starting the 2nd half of the '63 season with the Dodgers holding the top spot in the NL, leading my Phils (this is the season, not '64, that saw the young Phils mature) by only 4 games, while the White Sox lead the AL.

Jack

[warneke]

Originally Posted by 32koufax

Nice post on Cy Young! The OOTP game engine has really given me good overall league numbers and the individual numbers have been more than believable!!! I'm working through the decade of the 60s. To date, the Giants took the flag in '60 and '61. The Yankees rallied to take it in '62 and I'm starting the 2nd half of the '63 season with the Dodgers holding the top spot in the NL, leading my Phils (this is the season, not '64, that saw the young Phils mature) by only 4 games, while the White Sox lead the AL.

Jack

What settings do you use? Mainly, do you have player development on? And/or do you recalc player ratings each year? Because if you don't do recalc the game engine's development will not produce very historical numbers, careers or potentials. That's my understanding from reading this forum and from my own play.

[32koufax]

Hi,
I only play 1 season at a time. Basically, I create the historical season from scratch. For 1961, I created the season. I did it all over again in 1962 and did the same for the 1963 season.