Batting Contact vs Batting Avoid K's

Murcer · 04-21-2014, 10:24 AM

So there are two different line items under Traditional OOTP Player Creation Modifiers called:
Batting Contact
Batting Avoid K's

What is the difference between these two modifiers?

Thanks.

goalieump413 · 04-21-2014, 10:37 AM

Contact rating refers to the ability of the hitter to put the ball in play for a hit, while Avoid K's refers to his ability to simply avoid striking out (putting the ball in play). His BABIP, now awesomely included in OOTP15

, will change with both of these ratings, but his BA, and OBP will increase with his contact rating increase. In other words, you can have a hitter who is good at getting base hits, while still striking out a decent amount.

Syd Thrift · 04-21-2014, 10:56 AM

SORT of what the previous poster said. Contact is a combination of three separate skills:

- BABIP (which you never see on the main screen; however, this is visible in the editor)
- Avoiding Ks
- HR power (to a lesser degree)

As you can see, avoiding strikeouts is one aspect of contact but it isn't the whole thing.

Questdog · 04-21-2014, 11:07 AM

The CONTACT rating is basically a batting average rating.

goalieump413 · 04-21-2014, 11:16 AM

I remember this conversation from last year, a lot of fun. So Avoid K's must be a greater source of expected results, and Contact is the result of other information.

Avindian · 04-21-2014, 11:50 AM

Is BABIP displayable as a stat for hitters, finally?

RchW · 04-21-2014, 11:53 AM

The perfect illustration of avoid k between two players IRL would be Chris Davis vs Edwin Encarnacion. Actually it is stunning how similar these two players are except for strikeouts and BABIP.

It seems that the huge difference in career BABIP (0.276 vs 0.335) can be attributed entirely to Davis' strikeout rate being double that of Encarnacion. Who is the more valuable player?

Edwin Encarnacion Batting Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

Chris Davis Batting Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

goalieump413 · 04-21-2014, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avindian

Is BABIP displayable as a stat for hitters, finally?

Yes, just go to the player page, click the Batting Stats button, then on the stats panel, from the View dropdown, select exanded stats, and you'll see the BABIP number after ISO.

04-21-2014, 10:24 AM	#1
Murcer Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 229	Batting Contact vs Batting Avoid K's So there are two different line items under Traditional OOTP Player Creation Modifiers called: Batting Contact Batting Avoid K's What is the difference between these two modifiers? Thanks.

04-21-2014, 11:53 AM	#7
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The big smoke Posts: 15,628	The perfect illustration of avoid k between two players IRL would be Chris Davis vs Edwin Encarnacion. Actually it is stunning how similar these two players are except for strikeouts and BABIP. It seems that the huge difference in career BABIP (0.276 vs 0.335) can be attributed entirely to Davis' strikeout rate being double that of Encarnacion. Who is the more valuable player? Edwin Encarnacion Batting Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com Chris Davis Batting Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

04-21-2014, 10:37 AM	#2
goalieump413 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 765	Contact rating refers to the ability of the hitter to put the ball in play for a hit, while Avoid K's refers to his ability to simply avoid striking out (putting the ball in play). His BABIP, now awesomely included in OOTP15 , will change with both of these ratings, but his BA, and OBP will increase with his contact rating increase. In other words, you can have a hitter who is good at getting base hits, while still striking out a decent amount.

04-21-2014, 11:07 AM	#4
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	The CONTACT rating is basically a batting average rating.

04-21-2014, 11:16 AM	#5
goalieump413 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 765	I remember this conversation from last year, a lot of fun. So Avoid K's must be a greater source of expected results, and Contact is the result of other information.

04-21-2014, 11:50 AM	#6
Avindian Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 274	Is BABIP displayable as a stat for hitters, finally?