Negro Leagues

[sprague]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

I am re-posting this question for Spritze....

Spritze, won't your High School DB for OOTP17 achieve what everybody is asking for? It has Minor Leagues, Negro Leagues and Japanese Leagues.

I love the spritze db just for that.lets you use the players in any kind of league format you want.
I just sometimes have to tinker with some of the player ratings for negro and minor leaguers.
That is really what ootp 18 should have had. A free standing db that you can use as you wish. I will keep using spritze for historical, but will look at the 18 ratings for negro players and such and adjust a few players accordingly.

[sdw1000]

I have to make sure every minor league is deleted..but it works! Never mind me...I am the a**hole in the room. My apologies to all for the buttrage.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

I am re-posting this question for Spritze....

Spritze, won't your High School DB for OOTP17 achieve what everybody is asking for? It has Minor Leagues, Negro Leagues and Japanese Leagues.

The Spritze database has no minor leagues nor negro leagues. It puts everyone at the major league level using a bunch of formulas to alter all stats to MLE's.

If the OOTP MiLB and MLB databases were altered in the same way to create a third MLE database then YES I think that would work for everyone.

You would need the game to be able to use that new database as a user chooseable default as a MLB replacement.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by sdw1000

I have to make sure every minor league is deleted..but it works! Never mind me...I am the a**hole in the room. My apologies to all for the buttrage.

Forgot to mention it but I would also recommend running the purge tool after you delete all the minor leagues and excess players and before saving the template or importing to your league.

You can do that by going to 'game settings' > 'database' > 'database tools' > 'purge deleted records from database'

[sprague]

Is it just me or are you finding negro league players rated very low...
take satchel paige

1932 actual ratings on edit page 115 22 67
Imported him as 1931 49 22 35

He should be on par with top players in the majors
His potential is the same, while a guy named Harry Salmon with only a few years left has superb potential ratings.

How about mule suttles
1932 is a .235 batter

Just looking around for one year. Just not what I was expecting.

[Gambo]

Originally Posted by sdw1000

I have to make sure every minor league is deleted..but it works! Never mind me...I am the a**hole in the room. My apologies to all for the buttrage.

Hate to tell you but it won't import historical minor leaguers/negro leaguers the next year. Basically works one for one season then nothing.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by sprague

Is it just me or are you finding negro league players rated very low...
take satchel paige

1932 actual ratings on edit page 115 22 67
Imported him as 1931 49 22 35

He should be on par with top players in the majors
His potential is the same, while a guy named Harry Salmon with only a few years left has superb potential ratings.

How about mule suttles
1932 is a .235 batter

Just looking around for one year. Just not what I was expecting.

This is tricky because of how few games they play in some seasons and the adjust/make bad settings, and we've had to do some work on trying to get this right. It might still be a bit of a WIP.

One thing you can do is use lower settings for adjust/make bad but just be aware that will affect the minor league and MLB guys as well.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Gambo

Hate to tell you but it won't import historical minor leaguers/negro leaguers the next year. Basically works one for one season then nothing.

Yes that's true, but given the league he described wanting to play I don't think that's an issue for him.

Unless I'm wrong about that, in which case

[sdw1000]

Originally Posted by Gambo

Hate to tell you but it won't import historical minor leaguers/negro leaguers the next year. Basically works one for one season then nothing.

That's cool. My leagues are one and done. There's no continuity to them. Except winners move on. I rarely do evolution of a league. But good to know..thanks. And are you updating your chart?

[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by Spritze

The Spritze database has no minor leagues nor negro leagues. It puts everyone at the major league level using a bunch of formulas to alter all stats to MLE's.

If the OOTP MiLB and MLB databases were altered in the same way to create a third MLE database then YES I think that would work for everyone.

You would need the game to be able to use that new database as a user chooseable default as a MLB replacement.

Spritze, I must be losing my mind. Your DB that I use for my last Dynasty had all players: Negro League, PCL. Nippon etc.

[Gambo]

Originally Posted by sdw1000

That's cool. And are you updating your chart?

The ballpark generator that is available in the mods section actually uses the formulas I was using so technically there's no need.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

Spritze, I must be losing my mind. Your DB that I use for my last Dynasty had all players: Negro League, PCL. Nippon etc.

I do not understand. Please be clearerer. The Spritze db has all those players and more. If your mind has gotten lost you should perhaps give it GPS?

[Jeff1787]

The Spritze database has no minor leagues nor negro leagues.

This is from your post earlier today. I think now I know what you mean. You do have all of the players but they are not separated by league?

[Spritze]

Yes

[dave1927p]

are we not able to create these leagues in fictional? I don't see the option for color barrier

[Pirates]

I have a historical league set up. Start year 1901.
I have draft set to, random rookies from all era's.
I unchecked the box to let black players in early.
My question is will they come up in my yearly draft under random rookies from all era's?
Thank you

[jasonzimmie]

first of all is this possible, and I want to do like an alternate baseball history where the minor and negro come as the come in real life I think it was 1920 for minor & negro leagues, but I want to take it step further I want the players to be drafted like say mickey mantle instead of just going onto the Yankees he is eligible to be drafted by anyone? is this possible and if it is could you please explain to me how I would do this?

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Pirates

I have a historical league set up. Start year 1901.
I have draft set to, random rookies from all era's.
I unchecked the box to let black players in early.
My question is will they come up in my yearly draft under random rookies from all era's?
Thank you

I think (but I'll defer to Spritze if I'm wrong) that the Negro League players are housed in the minor league database, and that you must import the ones you wish to use into your game via the "Import Historical Player(s)" tool. The game can't handle importing players automatically from two databases at the same time. At least that's the case with random debut historicals, which is what you've indicated your setup is.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by sprague

Is it just me or are you finding negro league players rated very low...
take satchel paige

1932 actual ratings on edit page 115 22 67
Imported him as 1931 49 22 35 Please look at his Real Stats tab in the editor, it should be obvious

He should be on par with top players in the majors Not in 1931
His potential is the same, while a guy named Harry Salmon with only a few years left has superb potential ratings.

How about mule suttles
1932 is a .235 batter

Just looking around for one year. Just not what I was expecting.

We cannot always match your expectations based on IRL stats.

Like all pitchers Paige had some off years. Suttles too.

Make sure you have reCalc on and you should see a proper career.

[Jamee999]

So we seriously can't use Negro Leaguers as part of a random debut DB?