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11-22-2019, 11:36 AM | #41 |
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He only had one season, 1999, where he was definitely very good. Typically, he was a good, 3 WAR, player. |
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11-22-2019, 12:11 PM | #43 |
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I saw Kevin Brown pitch several times when he was in high school. He was practically unhittable every time. That doesn't make him any more or less of a hall of famer.
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He was extremely intense when he was playing. Since retirement he's moved back to Middle Georgia and by all accounts has mellowed out considerably. |
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11-23-2019, 04:43 AM | #46 |
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MLB Hall of Fame always intrigues me, you have players like Edgar Martinez being voted in for playing a 1/3 of the game didn't pitch, pretty much didn't field, only hit did he even own a glove the last 10 years of his career? Then you have multi gold gloves who were decent with the bat but aren't looked at favourably because they didn't hit the cover off the ball but still played 2/3 of the game, fielding and hitting. Then you have ballparks, a football field is a football field but a ballpark can be a hitters or pitchers park, then throw in the mound, juiced balls, juiced players makes you wonder what a HoF player should be.
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11-23-2019, 05:09 AM | #47 |
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Edgar only got in on his last chance, so it's not like there wasn't a healthy debate.
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Plus, hitting, pitching and fielding *aren't* the only facets of the game. I mean baserunning says, "hello". So, he's at least up to 2/4 now, right? If a guy produces enough just hitting, or pitching, or playing defense, or running the bases to be a hall of famer, he's a hall of famer. It'd be foolish to knock Mariano Rivera because he didn't hit. It's equally foolish to knock Martinez for not playing defense (even though, if course, he actually did play defense - a lot more than Rivera came to the plate). That said, of course Mariano would have been a better player if he'd also hit .300/.400/.500 for 500 PA's a season. And Martinez would have been a better player if he'd provided gold glove level defense for an extra decade. But you don't *knock* a player for not doing it. You just don't credit them. And it's harder to be a hall of famer just off of hitting (and baserunning) than it is to be one who also provided defensive value. Note; Martinez and Rivera would both be very bubble players for me. Last edited by CBeisbol; 11-23-2019 at 01:07 PM. |
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Well, no, those aren't equivalent. Rivera is compared to other pitchers. Martinez is compared to players who played in the field as well as hitting.
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How about guys who pitched and hit? Ruth, Ohtani, Ankiel, Carl Mays, Claude Hendix? Are they only compared to other guys who pitched and hit? Compared 1/3 to pitchers and 2/3 to hitters? Whatever that might mean? Should DH league pitchers only be compared to DH league pitchers and non-DH league pitchers be compared to non-DH league pitchers? Then that about guys who switched? Or went back and forth? Or the league switched on them? And if you're only comparing pitchers to pitchers and position players to position players (as if pitcher isn't a position) why not just compare DH's to DH's? And pinch runners to pinch runners? Etc... Ludicrous, right? Compare players to players If one player was a hall of famer because he kept the opponent from scoring because of his pitching but never helped his team score and another guy was a hall of famer because he helped his team score a lot but never did a single thing to prevent the other team from scoring, then they are both hall of famers not because of how they compare to other players who did the same thing they did, but because of how they compare to other baseball players. |
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