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View Poll Results: Should Known/Accused/Speculation Of Taking Steroid Users Go Into The HOF? | |||
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01-24-2014, 08:59 AM | #61 | |
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01-24-2014, 09:37 AM | #62 | |
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Let's skip Sosa for a moment... You consider 'Jose Valentin, Jim Parque, Marvin Bernard, Jeremy Giambi' potential HOFers? That's what I call a big hall. Give me a break. In fact, some of those guys never moved PAST being bench warmers.... Sosa, on the other hand, is a different thing... he still ISN'T deserving of being in the Hall, but I will accept that he qualifies as 'potential'. What I don't agree is that he started as a 'bench warmer'. Look at YOUR OWN example. You said 'he went from hitting 25 HRs a year'... 25 HRs a year is a bench warmer? In what game is that?
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01-24-2014, 09:47 AM | #63 |
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To me, like any question, it's not black or white.
I do not believe Steroid users with any eye raising doubt should be elected into the HOF by the Baseball Writers or Veteran's COmmittee while still alive. Upon their death, they can be elected in. You were a great player, yes. But you will not get the accolades from standing on that stage. BTW, so happy anti steroid advocate Frank Thomas was elected. I still remember him being so pissed about steroids in baseball and greenies are nothing like steroids. That's like comparing a fender bender to a plane crash
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01-24-2014, 10:26 AM | #64 |
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You are right... greenies are much worse.
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Sosa was the 4th OF with the Sox with the exception of 1990 when we had no one else who could start in RF. That is in part the reason why they traded him to the Cubs for Jorge Bell so we could have a RF who one was a left handed hitter to bat 4th/5th and 2 someone who could play everyday who could hit. You dont feel Sosa and his 609 HR is HOF worthy? How many players with 600+ HR are not in the Hall? Other players who potentially took steroids that probably would not have done as well (these are mostly speculation) Bagwell, Piazza, Canseco, Dawson if true that he was on Roids, Maggs. When did I call a 25 HR guy a bench player? Not saying I didn't say that, I just can't find it.
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01-24-2014, 10:45 AM | #67 |
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if you don't include barry bonds the accomplishments of greg maddux are diminished. it loses it's context. you can't wish something didn't happen that way it did by pretending it didn't.
the first admitted testosterone user was 1889. gambling was rampant right up until the black sox, and modern steroids entered in the late 20's. there is no such thing as "pure" numbers.
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Love how the only way you can get your point across is by twisting my words. That was a common tactic of Rich.
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01-24-2014, 10:53 AM | #70 | |
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if it were me I would quietly make a display(s), open it on some random Tuesday, and send them their jacket 3rd class mail. "you can be in, but we are not going to honor you"
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01-24-2014, 11:15 AM | #73 | |
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Who is Rich?
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01-24-2014, 11:31 AM | #74 |
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Ok Rich, um Say Hey, McGraw. OTD guy.
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01-24-2014, 11:46 AM | #75 |
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Uh, you have no idea what you are talking about. To get the benefits of steroids you have to work longer and harder in the gym. If you take steroids and sit on your butt all you will get is fat... not jacked.
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01-24-2014, 11:48 AM | #76 | |
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The new stuff though appears to make it a lot easier for players to get jacked without being gym rats. |
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01-24-2014, 11:50 AM | #77 |
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I think there's a difference between excluding people on baseball's permanently ineligible list and people who never received any sort of punishment from major league baseball whatsoever.
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Yes let's ban all the players who made baseball popular after the strike. Sammy and Bic Mac brought baseball back from the dead pretty much. I'm sure the owners/commish/managers knew what was going on, but were too busy enjoying the money filling their pockets.
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01-24-2014, 12:08 PM | #79 |
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Yes I do know what I am talking about. Do you? Go to your doc get on HGH or pretty much any steroid your doctor will prescribe then go arm and work out for 30 mins 3 days a week. You will be as big if not bigger then the guy not on them who works out 5 days a week for 2 hours. Everyone is different of course.
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