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PSUColonel · 08-04-2012, 12:45 AM

should you be allowed a player who is clear to return to duty from the DL to wallow simply because you don't have room on a roster, whether it's the active roster, AAA, AA or etc? Seems like a cheat to me. You can just let a player sit there until another injury comes along and you need him

RchW · 08-04-2012, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

should you be allowed a player who is clear to return to duty from the DL to wallow simply because you don't have room on a roster, whether it's the active roster, AAA, AA or etc? Seems like a cheat to me. You can just let a player sit there until another injury comes along and you need him

That's very strange. The game will not let me advance if the player is no longer injured and finished the DL stint.

Do you have a different setting?

1998 Yankees · 08-04-2012, 11:40 AM

It may depend upon the time of year. During the regular season, no. But offseason and preseason, maybe. Also during playoffs, oddly, but that would be because the playoff rosters must be set until series-end.

endgame · 08-04-2012, 11:42 AM

Are you in commish mode?

1998 Yankees · 08-04-2012, 11:47 AM

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Are you in commish mode?

Good point, but I play as commish (I'm a spineless person, yes, but it's also for editing convenience; I try to stay within my budgets! Why did you have to bring this up and make me feel guilty all over again. Why? Why?

) and the game stops me when I have a player coming off DL. During the season, for sure.

endgame · 08-04-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Good point, but I play as commish (I'm a spineless person, yes, but it's also for editing convenience; I try to stay within my budgets! Why did you have to bring this up and make me feel guilty all over again. Why? Why?

) and the game stops me when I have a player coming off DL. During the season, for sure.

Well, it's obvious you are working through some OOTP neuroses over the last few days.

Been there; done that, with the exception I never really worked through any of it. Ha!

I mention it because there was an issue some time back, wherein if you were in commish mode it would let you idle those players, but I thought we'd fixed it, and your comment indicates it was, so another factor may be at work, as you've suggested. I'm in commish, as well, and always am prompted to move the players. Well, I take that back. I know I receive the prompt to move them off DFA, but I think when I receive the message that a player is ready to be activated, I simply do. I don't know, if I ignore the message, if it would remind me again or not.

OBSL Commish · 08-04-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Well, it's obvious you are working through some OOTP neuroses over the last few days.

Been there; done that, with the exception I never really worked through any of it. Ha!

I mention it because there was an issue some time back, wherein if you were in commish mode it would let you idle those players, but I thought we'd fixed it, and your comment indicates it was, so another factor may be at work, as you've suggested. I'm in commish, as well, and always am prompted to move the players. Well, I take that back. I know I receive the prompt to move them off DFA, but I think when I receive the message that a player is ready to be activated, I simply do. I don't know, if I ignore the message, if it would remind me again or not.

The game lets me keep players idling on the DL when I play in commish mode, too. I have the latest patch as well.

PSUColonel · 08-04-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

That's very strange. The game will not let me advance if the player is no longer injured and finished the DL stint.

Do you have a different setting?

Minor league players

RchW · 08-04-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Minor league players

Oh, you said active roster.

PSUColonel · 08-05-2012, 12:47 PM

You are correct, you are forced to bring players back to the active roster, but not in the minor leagues. Shouldn't the same apply for minor league rosters though?

1998 Yankees · 08-05-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

You are correct, you are forced to bring players back to the active roster, but not in the minor leagues. Shouldn't the same apply for minor league rosters though?

Now we're getting someplace. I never see malingerers on my minor league DL, but I have these manager options set. Perhaps, if you are managing these things instead of minor league managers, the game is allowing you to proceed without notifiying you that they are ready for activation. In that case, it probably is just a programming oversight.

1998 Yankees · 08-05-2012, 01:38 PM

Because, yes, surer than heck, I cannot advance with a healed big league guy still on the DL, I play as weenie commish, and it's the offseason:

EDIT: Wait a minute, hold that thought. I just cleared the message and didn't do anything and the game is allowing me to advance. I'm going to leave him on the DL and see what happens by Preseason, ST, and Opening Day. (I hate the bastard anyway. He dissed me during the season for our .440 winning percentage and now I'm going to Steinbrenner him. As a matter of fact, if you notice, we improved when he went on the DL as shown by our final .500 record!

)

1998 Yankees · 08-05-2012, 02:02 PM

Yup, the Colonel is correct. The game allowed me to advance well into the regular season with the healed player still on the DL, because I was the commissioner. Only when I turned that option off briefly did the game clamp down and refuse to advance until I resolved the situation.

EDIT: Which is making me rethink the playing as commissioner all the time. Too many inadvertent opportunities to cheat. Besides, there's always the Cannot Be Fired option to allay my fears!

PSUColonel · 08-05-2012, 03:53 PM

It is a cheat because you could theoretically "stash" players on the DL until you might need them to replace other injured players. You SHOULD have to make a decision about potentially waiving demoting, or promoting another player to make room on a roster.

CanadaCajanek21 · 08-05-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

It is a cheat because you could theoretically "stash" players on the DL until you might need them to replace other injured players. You SHOULD have to make a decision about potentially waiving demoting, or promoting another player to make room on a roster.

Could also use that exploit in the Rule 5 draft. If there's a decent player, but hurt. You could draft him but stash him on the 60 day DL, therefore not impacting the 40-man roster and leaving him until like August, when you could send him to rehab and then the big club when rosters expand.

endgame · 08-05-2012, 05:55 PM

Okay, I've officially logged both this issue and the Cras-standing issue in our reports. I hope both will see a response soon.

On this one, however, I've also inquired if this is by design or not. IMHO, it shouldn't be, but you never know. IMO, the commish mode should allow unlimited ability to change, edit, redo, undo, etc.... but should never be above the rules automatically.

Update you went I know more than I do. Thanks for the comments, guys.

endgame · 08-06-2012, 09:48 AM

Answer: That's by design. Commishes are allowed to move on.

ootpFox07 · 08-06-2012, 09:54 AM

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Answer: That's by design. Commishes are allowed to move on.

This makes sense for Online League where the commish might be like Corsairs, an impartial commish only. Maybe it should be tweaked so that when your a commish and the game is not in online league mode you have to make the roster update or it stops cold.

Bluenoser · 08-06-2012, 09:57 AM

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Answer: That's by design. Commishes are allowed to move on.

Which is exactly the way it should be.

If one chooses to play in Commish mode, then one should also choose to police oneself on these sort of things.

BeancheBlanco · 08-06-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

It is a cheat because you could theoretically "stash" players on the DL until you might need them to replace other injured players. You SHOULD have to make a decision about potentially waiving demoting, or promoting another player to make room on a roster.

If it really concerns you, you can always just force yourself to activates players who done with the DL, even if it isn't a built-in rule. I agree that there's no reason for it not to be implemented, but not too big of a deal.

08-04-2012, 12:45 AM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,990 Blog Entries: 37	How long... should you be allowed a player who is clear to return to duty from the DL to wallow simply because you don't have room on a roster, whether it's the active roster, AAA, AA or etc? Seems like a cheat to me. You can just let a player sit there until another injury comes along and you need him

08-04-2012, 11:42 AM	#4
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,843	Are you in commish mode? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

08-05-2012, 01:38 PM	#12
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Because, yes, surer than heck, I cannot advance with a healed big league guy still on the DL, I play as weenie commish, and it's the offseason: EDIT: Wait a minute, hold that thought. I just cleared the message and didn't do anything and the game is allowing me to advance. I'm going to leave him on the DL and see what happens by Preseason, ST, and Opening Day. (I hate the bastard anyway. He dissed me during the season for our .440 winning percentage and now I'm going to Steinbrenner him. As a matter of fact, if you notice, we improved when he went on the DL as shown by our final .500 record! ) Attached Images Last edited by 1998 Yankees; 08-05-2012 at 01:42 PM.

08-05-2012, 02:02 PM	#13
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Yup, the Colonel is correct. The game allowed me to advance well into the regular season with the healed player still on the DL, because I was the commissioner. Only when I turned that option off briefly did the game clamp down and refuse to advance until I resolved the situation. EDIT: Which is making me rethink the playing as commissioner all the time. Too many inadvertent opportunities to cheat. Besides, there's always the Cannot Be Fired option to allay my fears! Attached Images Last edited by 1998 Yankees; 08-05-2012 at 02:08 PM.

08-05-2012, 05:55 PM	#16
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,843	Okay, I've officially logged both this issue and the Cras-standing issue in our reports. I hope both will see a response soon. On this one, however, I've also inquired if this is by design or not. IMHO, it shouldn't be, but you never know. IMO, the commish mode should allow unlimited ability to change, edit, redo, undo, etc.... but should never be above the rules automatically. Update you went I know more than I do. Thanks for the comments, guys. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

08-04-2012, 11:40 AM	#3
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	It may depend upon the time of year. During the regular season, no. But offseason and preseason, maybe. Also during playoffs, oddly, but that would be because the playoff rosters must be set until series-end.

08-05-2012, 12:47 PM	#10
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,990 Blog Entries: 37	You are correct, you are forced to bring players back to the active roster, but not in the minor leagues. Shouldn't the same apply for minor league rosters though?

08-05-2012, 03:53 PM	#14
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,990 Blog Entries: 37	It is a cheat because you could theoretically "stash" players on the DL until you might need them to replace other injured players. You SHOULD have to make a decision about potentially waiving demoting, or promoting another player to make room on a roster.

08-06-2012, 09:48 AM	#17
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,843	Answer: That's by design. Commishes are allowed to move on. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________