European fighters - Page 5

David Myers · 02-09-2005, 09:12 PM

Parisian fly and banty. Born 1921. Fought from 1944 to 1953. Record: 26-15-7 (4).

EBU flyweight champion 1947-1949. (Sandeyron lost the title in April 1949 to Rinty Monaghan, whom he was also challenging for the world flyweight championship.) Lost to Peter Keenan in June 1953 in EBU bantamweight championship fight.

A picture of him is <a href="http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?p=1059719" target="_blank">here</a>.

David Myers · 02-10-2005, 12:24 AM

English lightweight. Born 1922. Fought from 1944 to 1952. Record: 51-25-3 (21). TKO'd by Billy Thompson in May 1949 in EBU and British lightweight title bout.

David Myers · 02-10-2005, 12:26 AM

Tragic flyweight from Marseilles. Born 1921. Fought from 1945 to 1952. Record: 16-11-4 (5).

French flyweight champion, 1949-1950. Outpointed by Terry Allen in May 1950 bout for EBU and world flyweight championships. Pratesi lost a second attempt at the EBU flyweight crown to Jean Sneyers in November 1950. In November 1952 he died from injuries sustained in a ten-round loss to Jake Tuli.

David Myers · 02-11-2005, 12:18 AM

Toulouse lightweight managed and trained by Eugene Huat. Born 1919. Fought from 1946 to 1951. Record: 17-10-2 (3).

French lightweight champion, 1948 to 1952. Montane was unsuccessful in three attempts at the EBU lightweight crown. In July 1948, he fought Billy Thompson to a draw. He was knocked out by Thompson in the 12th round of a fight for the vacant EBU championship in February 1951. Six months later he lost his third and last try at the title when Elis Ask knocked him out in the 12th in August 1951.

His photo is <a href="http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?p=1062333" target="_blank">here</a>.

N.B.: Montane's fighter file was originally created by Mark Elwood; I have revised it somewhat.

Tiger Fan · 02-12-2005, 02:17 AM

Not to step on your toes David but here are a couple of Italian FW's I rated and thought I would share. Feel free to make any changes or post an improved version of either of them. I think I am getting a little better at this rating stuff but I have a long ways to go.

Alvaro Cerasini - Italian featherweight champ in the late 40's also had a shot at European FW title but was a TKO victim of Ray Famechon in that bout.

Enzo Correggioli -listed on boxrec as a lightweight but was the Italian FW title from 1946 until losing to Cerasini in 1949.

David Myers · 02-12-2005, 08:05 PM

Steve,

You are not stepping on my toes. The more contributions to this thread the better! I wish Chris had posted his ratings of Eduoard Ptak here, in fact. (I'd rated him too, but had neglected to post him here for some reason.) Originally I started the thread to try to bring a little more order out of the chaos of our collective ratings. New fighters are posted all over the place. It is hard to keep track of them all.

David Myers · 02-12-2005, 08:08 PM

Born 1930 in Toulouse, France. Fought from 1952 to 1958. Record: 15-1-3 (4).

French flyweight champion, 1956-1958. Lost EBU flyweight title bout to Young Martin in July 1958. The fight was Pollazon's last.

David Myers · 02-12-2005, 08:10 PM

Finnish banty. Born 1929. Fought from 1957 to 1959. Record: 5-1-0 (1).

Gold medalist in the bantamweight division at the 1952 Helsinki Olympics. At the 1956 Olympics in Melbourne he took bronze in the featherweight division.

CONN CHRIS · 02-12-2005, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Myers

I wish Chris had posted his ratings of Eduoard Ptak here, in fact. (I'd rated him too, but had neglected to post him here for some reason.)

I thought about that, but the this matter of toes came to mind. If I do any more Europeans, I'll place them here.

I am enjoying your posts here David, many thanks as always.

Christopher

David Myers · 02-12-2005, 08:57 PM

Please, guys. This isn't my thread. It belongs to the TBCB community. Otherwise why post fighter ratings here at all? I'd just keep 'em to myself. . . .

David Myers · 02-12-2005, 08:59 PM

English banty. Born 1936. Fought from 1957 to 1967. Record: 42-16-4 (16).

TKO'd by Johnny Caldwell in the seventh round of March 1964 Commonwealth bantamweight title bout.

David Myers · 02-12-2005, 11:21 PM

Heavyweight from Marseilles. Born 1927. Fought from 1950 to 1956. Record: 6-7-0 (5).

Finished second to Laszlo Bene in the heavyweight division of the 1949 European amateur championships. Knocked out in the second round by Ingemar Johansson in Dec. 1953 in Gothenburg, Sweden; it was Johansson's fifth bout.

CONN CHRIS · 02-13-2005, 07:53 AM

His last name, mine and the town he hails from are all derived from the German word for mouth. I think the town "Dortmund" could be loosely translated as "Where the mouth is" - probably a better hometwon for Ali

WERNER MUNDT JMW (1963-1973)

Hometown - Dortmund, Germany

30(11)-11-2

Mundt scored many victories over local boys but faded fast against better competition, all 11 of his losses were by stoppage. He won the German Jr Middleweight Title in 1965 with a tenth round stoppage over Willy Niederau and lost it in 1967 to Heinrich Dampmann. He beat Bo Petterson twice in Sweden and lost to Poul Knudsen, Mark Rowe, Luiz Fabre, Gerhard Piaskowy and Bo Hogberg.

David Myers · 02-13-2005, 11:48 AM

I've rated guys with my last name too--most notably Spug Myers and Dave Maier. Here's another.

Doug Myers was a British light heavyweight. Born in Rotherham, England. Fought from 1947 to 1951. Record: 13-16-1 (4).

CONN CHRIS · 02-13-2005, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Myers

I've rated guys with my last name too--most notably Spug Myers and Dave Maier. Here's another.

My post may have been shameless self promotion, but your's is just being a copycat.

By the way, are Meyers and Myers simply alternate spellings or is there an ethnic or nationalistic difference?

David Myers · 02-13-2005, 03:56 PM

There are at least three sources for the name: the German, the English, and the Hebrew. As you know, once people came to this country, their names became bolluxed up.

There is a famous story about a Polish Jew named Yankel Shatsky. Before he emigrated to America, Yankel was told by his friends to choose a more American-sounding name. His friends suggested James Davenport. On the ship across the Atlantic, Yankel repeated the name to himself over and over. But when he arrived at Ellis Island, when he was confronted by an immigration officer who demanded to know his name, Yankel blanked. "What is your name?" the officer bellowed. "I forget," Yankel whimpered in Yiddish--ikh fergessen. Naturally, his new American name became Ike Ferguson.

David Myers · 02-13-2005, 03:59 PM

French middleweight. Born 1928. Fought from 1948 to 1955. Record: 40-16-1 (22).

French middleweight champion, 1950-1955. TKO'd in the seventh round by Floyd Patterson in July 1954 after flooring Patterson in the first. Also lost to Willie Pastrano and Jackie LaBua while defeating Tony Anthony and Ralph Jones on the same five-month, five-fight trip to the U.S.

CONN CHRIS · 02-13-2005, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Myers

There are at least three sources for the name: the German, the English, and the Hebrew. As you know, once people came to this country, their names became bolluxed up.

There is a famous story about a Polish Jew named Yankel Shatsky. Before he emigrated to America, Yankel was told by his friends to choose a more American-sounding name. His friends suggested James Davenport. On the ship across the Atlantic, Yankel repeated the name to himself over and over. But when he arrived at Ellis Island, when he was confronted by an immigration officer who demanded to know his name, Yankel blanked. "What is your name?" the officer bellowed. "I forget," Yankel whimpered in Yiddish--ikh fergessen. Naturally, his new American name became Ike Ferguson.

That's a great story. I didn't mean to pry, but names and their origins are of great interest to me since I began doing research into my and my wife's family histories. Based on my scant knowedge in the area, I would have pegged 'Meyers' as Scotish/Irish and 'Myers' as Dutch/German. I was simply wondering if I was off base.

David Myers · 02-14-2005, 08:48 AM

Spanish banty. Born 1933. Fought from 1953 to 1963. Record: 37-19-4 (16).

In EBU bantamweight title match in May 1959, Cárdenas fought Piero Rollo to a 15-round draw. He lost four of his next five bouts, though, and never got another title shot.

David Myers · 02-14-2005, 08:54 AM

Algerian flyweight. Born 1935. Fought from 1955 to 1966. Record: 22-18-5 (1).

Marchand started off like a world afire, winning his first twenty fights. Then he moved up to world-class competition. Frankie Jones outpointed him in Scotland. He came back to battle Robert Pollazon to a draw. Marchand then lost his next four bouts--to Mimoun ben Ali, Jean Guerard (twice), and Pierre Rossi. He won only twice more in his career.

02-12-2005, 02:17 AM	#85
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,536	Not to step on your toes David but here are a couple of Italian FW's I rated and thought I would share. Feel free to make any changes or post an improved version of either of them. I think I am getting a little better at this rating stuff but I have a long ways to go. Alvaro Cerasini - Italian featherweight champ in the late 40's also had a shot at European FW title but was a TKO victim of Ray Famechon in that bout. Enzo Correggioli -listed on boxrec as a lightweight but was the Italian FW title from 1946 until losing to Cerasini in 1949. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles Columnist- The Figment Sporting Journal MY FIGMENT LEAGUE BROOKLYN KINGS DYNASTY PAST DYNASTYS My History of Hockey Replay Tiger Fan's Sporting News : the mid 1940's Tiger Fan's All Sport Replay: The 1920s History of Sports 1901-15 Historical Tutorial and Feedback League My first fictional attempt The HOB4: The last of my series of history of baseball replays that go back to OOTP2 and the old message board. Last edited by Tiger Fan; 04-18-2007 at 12:40 AM.

02-12-2005, 08:05 PM	#86
David Myers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 693	Stepping on toes Steve, You are not stepping on my toes. The more contributions to this thread the better! I wish Chris had posted his ratings of Eduoard Ptak here, in fact. (I'd rated him too, but had neglected to post him here for some reason.) Originally I started the thread to try to bring a little more order out of the chaos of our collective ratings. New fighters are posted all over the place. It is hard to keep track of them all. __________________ David Myers Houston, Texas

02-12-2005, 08:57 PM	#90
David Myers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 693	Matter of toes Please, guys. This isn't <i>my</i> thread. It belongs to the TBCB community. Otherwise why post fighter ratings here at all? I'd just keep 'em to myself. . . . __________________ David Myers Houston, Texas

02-13-2005, 03:56 PM	#96
David Myers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 693	Family name There are at least three sources for the name: the German, the English, and the Hebrew. As you know, once people came to this country, their names became bolluxed up. There is a famous story about a Polish Jew named Yankel Shatsky. Before he emigrated to America, Yankel was told by his friends to choose a more American-sounding name. His friends suggested James Davenport. On the ship across the Atlantic, Yankel repeated the name to himself over and over. But when he arrived at Ellis Island, when he was confronted by an immigration officer who demanded to know his name, Yankel blanked. "What is your name?" the officer bellowed. "I forget," Yankel whimpered in Yiddish--<i>ikh fergessen</i>. Naturally, his new American name became Ike Ferguson. __________________ David Myers Houston, Texas