Season 5 (2023) Discussion: 12/31/18-1/6/19 - Page 5

mcdog512 · 01-03-2019, 06:10 PM

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Man, I feel like if I could get my pitchers to perform up to snuff that I could be more competitive. The thing is that I don't feel like the starters and at least the top of my bullpen is that bad but they consistently rank near the bottom of the conference.

My offense more than holds their own. Although someone needs to explain how Hack Wilson is a .208 hitter? How hack Wilson, with 85 power and 69 contact can only have 10 home runs while Tom Herr with 32 power and 66 contact has 7?

As I recall wasn't Herr a switch hitter? What do his L/R splits look like?

DonkeyKongSr · 01-03-2019, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

Holy cows, Saw a Nap Lajoie card in the auction house. Had to have it. That dude has some crazy contact and gap. Got him for 75k buy it now but it’s gotta be worth more although it’s hard to want to sell a card like that.

Yeah, I believe he's the highest rated Contact and Gap. Some of those Dead Ball guys (he, Gavvy Cravath, King Kelly) are insanely high-rated hitters due to their quality of competition more than anything. I'm betting many modern high school players are actuallly better players than any of them.

EDIT: Just reread and realized you actually snagged him for 75K. Damn, lesser hitters (maybe more well-rounded players) are going for 6 figures.

EDIT: 2nd in Contact to Cobb, but 1st vs. LHP.

mcdog512 · 01-03-2019, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

Yeah, I believe he's the highest rated Contact and Gap. Some of those Dead Ball guys (he, Gavvy Cravath, King Kelly) are insanely high-rated hitters due to their quality of competition more than anything. I'm betting many modern high school players are actuallly better players than any of them.

They faced some pretty ****ty pitchers all right.

mcdog512 · 01-03-2019, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

Yeah, I believe he's the highest rated Contact and Gap. Some of those Dead Ball guys (he, Gavvy Cravath, King Kelly) are insanely high-rated hitters due to their quality of competition more than anything. I'm betting many modern high school players are actuallly better players than any of them.

EDIT: Just reread and realized you actually snagged him for 75K. Damn, lesser hitters (maybe more well-rounded players) are going for 6 figures.

Yea, I had to buy some points and get him for 75k. I really really never intended to spend so much money but OOTP guys gotta be giggling as to how this mode is going.

Orcin · 01-03-2019, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

Yeah, I believe he's the highest rated Contact and Gap. Some of those Dead Ball guys (he, Gavvy Cravath, King Kelly) are insanely high-rated hitters due to their quality of competition more than anything. I'm betting many modern high school players are actuallly better players than any of them.

I am willing to bet that Nap Lajoie is better than any high school player that ever lived. Set up the contest and let me know when it is ready.

mcdog512 · 01-03-2019, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

I am willing to bet that Nap Lajoie is better than any high school player that ever lived. Set up the contest and let me know when it is ready.

Deadball haters!

Yea, he set the standard although Rodgers Hornsby was a pretty good second baseman......He was actually available in the auction house too for 85k but man, Napoleon was just too good to pass up at a cheaper price.

Zorro · 01-03-2019, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

Holy cows, Saw a Nap Lajoie card in the auction house. Had to have it. That dude has some crazy contact and gap. Got him for 75k buy it now but it’s gotta be worth more although it’s hard to want to sell a card like that.

Yes, I had to get him also when I saw him. I had to move Hornsby to DH to accommodate him..

mcdog512 · 01-03-2019, 06:40 PM

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Yes, I had to get him also when I saw him. I had to move Hornsby to DH to accommodate him..

lol, I had to move Betts to Third which he has never played for the same reason. Poor Richie Allen now relegated to the bench.

edit: Still not sure which was the better card, Lajoie or Hornsby.....super duper stud 2nd baseman.

edit edit: I did get the joke by the way...:^)

DonkeyKongSr · 01-03-2019, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

I am willing to bet that Nap Lajoie is better than any high school player that ever lived. Set up the contest and let me know when it is ready.

Well, the only contest that can somewhat replicate that is OOTP PT, so I guess you win since the system says he's a better contact+gap hitter than anyone else while rarely, if ever, seeing a 90+ MPH ball thrown his way in real life.

mcdog512 · 01-03-2019, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

Well, the only contest that can somewhat replicate that is OOTP PT, so I guess you win since the system says he's a better contact+gap hitter than anyone else while rarely, if ever, seeing a 90+ MPH ball thrown his way in real life.

How did they measure speed back then anyway to even know how hard they threw?

DonkeyKongSr · 01-03-2019, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

How did they measure speed back then anyway to even know how hard they threw?

Scientific methods like racing horses and motorcycles.

Come on guys, I know some of you are old, but not so old to really think that guys who played 100+ years ago are even comparable athletes to modern MLB players. Versus their competition, they were elite. Versus modern pitching & hitting, they'd struggle mightily.

EDIT: I'm 41, so I'm semi-really old.

mcdog512 · 01-03-2019, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

Scientific methods like racing horses and motorcycles.

Come on guys, I know some of you are old, but not so old to really think that guys who played 100+ years ago are even comparable athletes to modern MLB players. Versus their competition, they were elite. Versus modern pitching, they'd struggle mightily.

No, and those guys also did not have the training methods of modern athletes so it goes both ways. I get guys are naturally getting bigger but had these guys been training the same way, where would they stack up? You don't know. So we judge players on how they competed against their peers since they really had no option to warp into the future and work out like demons.

edit: Yea, I guess that would be semi old Donkey...maybe on the low side though.

DonkeyKongSr · 01-03-2019, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

No, and those guys also did not have the training methods of modern athletes so it goes both ways. I get guys are naturally getting bigger but had these guys been training the same way, where would they stack up? You don't know. So we judge players on how they competed against their peers since they really had no option to warp into the future and work out like demons.

Yeah, maybe if the game was "What of Nap Lajoie was born in 1990?", then yeah, the ratings could make sense. So, I'll just go with that, because using the "What if Nap Lajoie went in a time machine to play in 2018?" methodology doesn't jive with the ratings.

mcdog512 · 01-03-2019, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

Yeah, maybe if the game was "What of Nap Lajoie was born in 1990?", then yeah, the ratings could make sense. So, I'll just go with that, because using the "What if Nap Lajoie went in a time machine to play in 2018?" methodology doesn't jive with the ratings.

That really is the bottom line. Do you rate every modern guy way better because they trained better? I wouldn't and they didn't but you seem to disagree. That's cool, we all have our opinions.

Orcin · 01-03-2019, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

Come on guys, I know some of you are old, but not so old to really think that guys who played 100+ years ago are even comparable athletes to modern MLB players. Versus their competition, they were elite. Versus modern pitching & hitting, they'd struggle mightily.

Take your pampered athlete from today, put him on trains all night, give him no personal trainer, no weight room, no supplements, no film study, no hitting coach, and subject him to Ty Cobb coming in on a double play ball... then tell me modern players are better.

mcdog512 · 01-03-2019, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

Take your pampered athlete from today, put him on trains all night, give him no personal trainer, no weight room, no supplements, no film study, no hitting coach, and subject him to Ty Cobb coming in on a double play ball... then tell me modern players are better.

LOL, or Ty Cobb period.

Back on topic in this 5th season one of the discussion points is Nappy Lajoie and he's now 1 for 9.

edit: I guess he got a couple of hits while I was playing a little Marvin Gaye on my bass on Rocksmith. Now he's hitting .238 - small sample size.

Maddox · 01-03-2019, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

As I recall wasn't Herr a switch hitter? What do his L/R splits look like?

.270 against lefties
.293 against righties

makinitmine · 01-03-2019, 10:19 PM

I really thought I'd like this game mode, but tbh it doesn't hold my attention. I check it maybe a few times a week, see how much PP I have and maybe get something off auction or open packs....other than that I don't touch it.

scott1964 · 01-03-2019, 11:46 PM

This is ridiculous

No offense or pitching

Morug · 01-03-2019, 11:52 PM

June was a good month but july is just ridiculously bad, maybe my worst month to date in PT with 3-21. I only change one pitcher, Max Scherzer but that was not a good idea...0-4 with 8,01. I think PT dont like we change pitcher in the middle of a season. Hope I dont stay in Diamond league one more season.

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makinitmine Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 35	I really thought I'd like this game mode, but tbh it doesn't hold my attention. I check it maybe a few times a week, see how much PP I have and maybe get something off auction or open packs....other than that I don't touch it. __________________

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scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,561 Blog Entries: 19	This is ridiculous No offense or pitching __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

01-03-2019, 11:52 PM	#100
Morug Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 308	June was a good month but july is just ridiculously bad, maybe my worst month to date in PT with 3-21. I only change one pitcher, Max Scherzer but that was not a good idea...0-4 with 8,01. I think PT dont like we change pitcher in the middle of a season. Hope I dont stay in Diamond league one more season.