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01-31-2019, 01:05 PM | #61 | |
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Ok, you, Kushiel, and Thalion have convinced me to give it a try. How high does the catcher ability need to be in order to have an impact? How many seasons should I play before drawing a conclusion? What's a reasonable sample size? |
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01-31-2019, 02:12 PM | #62 |
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What is a "large enough sample"?
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01-31-2019, 03:00 PM | #63 |
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A catcher ability of 108 appears to be far superior to 105. Interesting that Bench has a much better caught stealing rate with the same pitchers, same opponents, and the same arm rating.
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01-31-2019, 04:19 PM | #64 |
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I have had success in perfect running a Daulton/Posey platoon. I think they are averaging about 5 WAR combined a season. It's hard to get quality offense without running a platoon.
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In beta I had 91 OVR Bench 104 ability and 83 OVR Varitek with 82 ability platooning. After one season I looked at the defensive stats and said "Holy Crap!." I forget the exact CERA difference now but it was a tad over a run. That is very significant. Maybe it was a small sample but I have been playing defensive catchers since. I routinely have lower team ERA's with my staff than many teams with very good pitching staffs and proper park factors too but think that they need a bat a catcher. I use the same philosophy as I believe in for all baseball get the best pitchers I can get and be strong up the middle on defense and catcher may be the biggest part of that in PT. I dunno but it works for me.
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01-31-2019, 06:41 PM | #67 |
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Don’t know. Matt said he looked at the code and can verify that it does influence, but he said it would be very difficult to quantify.
I figure it’s just a subjective cost v benefit thing. With the DH in place, I don’t have a problem carrying one potential weak bat I my lineup. And I say potential, because even though they may not reach their season averages in real life, I’ve been surprised some seasons in which they’ll carry their own weight and maybe give me .250 and 12 home runs. Last edited by Thalion; 01-31-2019 at 06:44 PM. |
02-01-2019, 01:12 PM | #68 |
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My All-Defense team has Tony Pena (138/107/111) and Charles Johnson (136/106/108). Combined generally with pitchers who have a high HOLD rating, we've had only 38 SB attempts against in 113 games (19 were successful). The next closest has 69 SB attempts. But yeah, Johnson, as a backup, is hitting .173. He started for me for two seasons, hitting .220 each of those seasons.
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02-01-2019, 01:49 PM | #69 |
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I grabbed the Ivan Rodriguez with the 135 overall defensive rating. My pitching staff is very happy about it -- we moved from 5th or 6th runs allowed in Perfect League last two years to #1. Not sure that's all on I-Rod, but nothing much else has changed.
He's also not a terrible hitter. At least not as terrible as most of the top rated defensive catchers i've seen. |
02-01-2019, 02:07 PM | #70 |
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I've never seen Rodriguez' on the AH. What's his catcher stats?
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02-01-2019, 05:12 PM | #71 |
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Something like 105 arm, 105 catching, 135 catcher defense rating
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02-01-2019, 11:20 PM | #72 |
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To add to the CERA conversation, when I was trying to train Harper, Baez, and Bichette at catcher, they all had CERA over 5...usually over 6. Might be because of the passed balls (Bichette averaged over 2 a game) or the total inability to throw out anyone (Under 6%).
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02-08-2019, 11:56 AM | #73 | |
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Coincidence... I doubt it. But again, it is a small sample size (75 games or so). |
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02-08-2019, 12:19 PM | #74 |
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I'm starting to see a little correlation. Here is the data from our mini-whales league this season:
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02-08-2019, 12:31 PM | #75 |
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In response to this thread, I began looking closer (in a general sort of way) at catching ability as a rating in the game. I was surprised that it seemed like there was a dearth of catchers with an ability in the 90s, with most grading out in the 80s or over 100. The graph reminded me of this anecdotal observation... Have others seen this, or am I seeing something that does not reflect the in game reality?
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02-08-2019, 12:35 PM | #76 | |
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Joe Mauer 98 Austin Hedges 96 Roy Campanella 94 Yasmani Grandal 92 Mike Scioscia 90 Earl Battey 90 |
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02-08-2019, 12:37 PM | #77 |
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Yeah, the graph is just from one league so it's not gonna include everyone.
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EDIT: And yeah, the graph is a small sample size for sure, but it just reminded me about what I had previously seen
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02-08-2019, 12:49 PM | #79 | |
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100s - 18 90s - 6 80s - 29 70s - 19 60s - 16 50s - 16 40s - 5 30s - 3 |
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