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Now I'm looking at my return and thinking have you got the best deal here with e-license - I don't know how they work, but it appears to me that the software is supplied by OOTP Developments GMbH at no cost - it doesn't cost anything to get the program on your computer. The cost is incurred when you purchase a license which you do via e-license. They should be therefore the ones to be VAT liable. When I buy OOTP my money isn't going to Germany, it's going to somewhere in the United States isn't it. e-license then send OOTP money for every license they sell (in the form of a commission), and as far as I know commission payments aren't subject to VAT.
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He most certainly wants it for free - and if you read the thread they are pretty much offering it for free, you just need to cover the Viatech cut. If you can't come up with $6, then your time would be better spent fixing that problem then threatening not to buy future versions. We heard him the first 15 times, he doesn't think you should have to spend $6. He doesn't have to, but OOTPD can't legally provide us with the bug fixes and new features unless someone gets paid to distribute the e-licences. |
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Can't we all just get along?
Please, consider this fair warning that I'm not going to let this thread further devolve into an argument over who should spend what on what, or how much money person X has. Anyway, redsoxford, although I'm sure it doesn't make you any happier, I did update the original post to make it clear that it's $19.99 in the US and 19.99 euros elsewhere. Thanks! Steve |
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Anyway, I've bought the game anyway as it gives money to future development, and it was the point of not being told the correct price that irked me...
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Why sure, Rodney.
Seriously, that was mild compared to some of the stuff I saw here last year and that you will recall. Hey, question for you. Any plans to actually provide a slightly updated OOTP 8 manual, like the program menu implies? I know you are supposed to use the OOTP 2007 manual and just change the shortcut or file name to match, but I just had a thought. That piece you did on the Cato converter certainly would belong in an updated manual. Just asking . . . |
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OK, the facts.
I payed $25 or $30 for ootp2007. If you don't own 2007 you can get OOTP8 for $20. If you own 2007 you may get the patch for $6, but it could be $20. Even at $6, the folks the bought OOTP2007 are being screwed. I don't care how much $$$ it is, I don't care for it when a company makes me pay more for their product then others have to. This is NOT good business no matter how you look at it. If you think different, then quite simply put, you are wrong. |
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So, if you don't need those things fixed, and you don't want to pay for the new features, don't buy OOTP 8! How much simpler can it be?
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OK, let's review the facts...
Here's the bug fix list: *Players claimed off waivers in online leagues are now placed in DFA, not the active roster *Players from deleted feeder leagues no longer show up in the draft pool *expansion protection lists for online leagues now included in exports *rare crashes tied into coaching model resolved *fixed some contract negotiation issues where players over-valued themselves *improved double-switch AI Massively impressive list... Now lets review the new features. The real rosters are available for free. Download the game, copy the quickstart to your OOTP 7, and you have the real rosters. The CATO converter can be used with the demo, as it is a one-time event. The Lahman database is available for free at Sean Lahman's website. For your six bucks, you get two more licenses. Or, you can skip paying the six bucks and you can get all the bundled new features are available for free. Making all the key features available for FREE as they have been for OOTP 2007 owners..well that's good business. It builds good will. They are giving away the goodies. If you can't handle free...quite simply, you are wrong. |
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Asking folks to pay again for any fixes/features at the same time as offering the game cheaper then the original to new buyers, yessss this is a good way to keep your customers happy. It's no big deal as I would probably wait for OOTP9 regardless, but I cant see this bringing much ootp goodwill.
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OH! I get it now. You're upset that if you were one of the "unfortunate" few who bought OOTP 2007, you paid more than new customers buying OOTP 8 (at least I think that's it, because the new OOTP 8 customers aren't getting anything for their $20 that you can't get for free with your original $30).
Haven't you ever bought last year's model of anything? It's almost always cheaper than it was for those who bought it when it first came out. This is the same thing.
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I came back out of semi-retirement to first say hello to everyone, and secondly, to state that this seems very much like the 6.12 versus 6.5 debate. And I paid 20 bucks for that because it had a lot of enhancements. Should I have gotten them for free a s a loyal customer? Maybe. But I view 08 as 1/4 of that update, so five bucks is worth it.
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