Sealed pack tournament idea

GlassGuyBob · 11-21-2019, 09:13 AM

Mimicking the Magic: The Gathering Limited format, I thought it would be awesome to have a tournament where you have to build a team from a sealed pack pool.

The idea would be that you have to pay for the packs you open for your pool of players, so the entry would be 10000PP if it's a 10 pack event, etc. It may be better for it to be 15 or 20 packs to make sure people have enough options, I'm not sure.

You would open your packs and only those cards would be available in your reserve roster to build your team. You would have maybe 1 hour to build your team and set your roster and then play a tournament.

It seems like a really fun way to open packs and I would definitely spend too much money playing these.

Litty · 11-21-2019, 09:34 AM

While intriguing, and sorta like how MLB The Show does Battle Royale, the dev team has said that they won't be introducing entry fees or any gambling like elements to tournament mode.

mcdog512 · 11-21-2019, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Litty

While intriguing, and sorta like how MLB The Show does Battle Royale, the dev team has said that they won't be introducing entry fees or any gambling like elements to tournament mode.

Still, you could have no entry fee and receive "x" number of starter packs and the cards go away after the tourney for use in the tourney but the cards go away at the end of it.

Litty · 11-21-2019, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

Still, you could have no entry fee and receive "x" number of starter packs and the cards go away after the tourney for use in the tourney but the cards go away at the end of it.

I would be very much in favour of draft/pack challenge tournament mode.

dkgo · 11-21-2019, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Litty

While intriguing, and sorta like how MLB The Show does Battle Royale, the dev team has said that they won't be introducing entry fees or any gambling like elements to tournament mode.

This is completely different. Gambling is turning a 10K entry fee into 80K by taking the other 7 players PP. For 10K PP you are just buying 10 packs then the chance to play a free tournament with them.

I think it would be ok but mostly luck. You don't have to consider any synergies like in a deck building draft.

bailey · 11-21-2019, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

This is completely different. Gambling is turning a 10K entry fee into 80K by taking the other 7 players PP. For 10K PP you are just buying 10 packs then the chance to play a free tournament with them.

I think it would be ok but mostly luck. You don't have to consider any synergies like in a deck building draft.

It's still gambling because someone may have paid cash for his points.

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

Still, you could have no entry fee and receive "x" number of starter packs and the cards go away after the tourney for use in the tourney but the cards go away at the end of it.

A massive 256 player tournament like this and the winner gets to keep his cards. Oh, the anguish not win when you draw Peak Pedro.

dkgo · 11-21-2019, 11:25 AM

What? Something doesn't become or not become gambling based on how the stake was acquired...

xekyn92 · 11-21-2019, 02:31 PM

I think a tournament type where each participant builds a team from random packs would be a ton of fun, especially if the winner gets to keep a card or something along those lines.

Either that or a draft mode, where the draft is populated by cards randomly drawn from packs, but that may be difficult to do with too many participants.

FlaviusFlav · 11-21-2019, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xekyn92

I think a tournament type where each participant builds a team from random packs would be a ton of fun, especially if the winner gets to keep a card or something along those lines.

Either that or a draft mode, where the draft is populated by cards randomly drawn from packs, but that may be difficult to do with too many participants.

Winner keeps the cards they don't use.. now that's some spicy game theory.

GlassGuyBob · 11-21-2019, 04:59 PM

It would not be gambling, as you would just be opening packs and entering a tournament. The tournament rewards would be the same as an event with no cost to enter. It would just be a fun way to open packs.

Litty · 11-22-2019, 05:16 AM

Okay, I might have misunderstood the OP but the way I read the original proposal was that you paid 10K to enter the tournament and then were given 10 packs and had to build a team from what you got.

No-one is stopping you from buying 10 packs and entering a tournament with the players you pulled because that's essentially just an open tournament given that you could pull anything from Iron to Perfect fro those packs. But I don't see how you could make a tournament that knows you you are using players you pulled from packs unless you imposed the 10K fee as an entry to the tournament.

dkgo · 11-22-2019, 07:52 AM

Paying 10K and then getting 10 packs is the same as buying ten packs...

It's not an "entry fee" because you are already getting the cards that you bought

Dogberry99 · 11-22-2019, 12:14 PM

Honestly, it doesn't matter what any of us think. What matters is how the laws are written, interpreted, and enforced, and what legal risks OOTP is willing to accept.

With loot boxes having a dubious legal standing in some countries, OOTP may want to avoid anything that could even approach that. Sure, they could toe the line and find a way to make it work legally, but why would a small studio want to spend that money on the lawyers needed to make sure they were doing things in a legally acceptable manner when it won't be a significant improvement over other less ambiguous options?

GlassGuyBob · 11-23-2019, 05:28 PM

What laws are you even talking about? I'm 100% sure you have no clue what you're taking about. These laws don't exist.

The most popular online games run this model. Magic, Hearthstone, etc. Magic has had an online client doing sealed events for 20 years, plus their tournaments have entry fees higher than the cost of the packs.

QuantaCondor · 11-23-2019, 05:41 PM

Great concept, but in practice probably not very fun. These ideas work in HS and Magic because building and piloting a deck are two separate components that each matter a lot in terms of who wins the tournament. Additionally, you very rarely have cards that are strictly better than one another; the vast majority of the time, the cards fill different roles in different builds. In OOTP, the "piloting" component of the game is a lot less prominent, and more frequently you'll see pulls that are just strictly better versions of cards (especially true with pitching). I think cap tourneys are a lot more promising as the limited format of choice.

I would still absolutely play this mode, of course. Maybe it might even convince me to spend PP on packs. But I think it'd be more of a gimmick than a real mode.

Dogberry99 · 11-23-2019, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GlassGuyBob

What laws are you even talking about? I'm 100% sure you have no clue what you're taking about. These laws don't exist.

The most popular online games run this model. Magic, Hearthstone, etc. Magic has had an online client doing sealed events for 20 years, plus their tournaments have entry fees higher than the cost of the packs.

These laws do exist. My analysis and conclusions may be wrong, but there is no need to make things personal and attack my intelligence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loot_b...nd_legislation

Pine Tar · 11-23-2019, 08:13 PM

Tournaments that cost more to enter than the best prize to be won will only appeal to whales. That said if enough players want that kind of tournament then make it available. Supply and demand should be the order of the day.

Pine

11-21-2019, 09:13 AM	#1
GlassGuyBob Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 121	Sealed pack tournament idea Mimicking the Magic: The Gathering Limited format, I thought it would be awesome to have a tournament where you have to build a team from a sealed pack pool. The idea would be that you have to pay for the packs you open for your pool of players, so the entry would be 10000PP if it's a 10 pack event, etc. It may be better for it to be 15 or 20 packs to make sure people have enough options, I'm not sure. You would open your packs and only those cards would be available in your reserve roster to build your team. You would have maybe 1 hour to build your team and set your roster and then play a tournament. It seems like a really fun way to open packs and I would definitely spend too much money playing these. __________________

11-21-2019, 09:34 AM	#2
Litty Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2019 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 138	While intriguing, and sorta like how MLB The Show does Battle Royale, the dev team has said that they won't be introducing entry fees or any gambling like elements to tournament mode. __________________ Good times, good vibes going forwards.

11-21-2019, 04:59 PM	#10
GlassGuyBob Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 121	It would not be gambling, as you would just be opening packs and entering a tournament. The tournament rewards would be the same as an event with no cost to enter. It would just be a fun way to open packs. __________________

11-22-2019, 05:16 AM	#11
Litty Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2019 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 138	Okay, I might have misunderstood the OP but the way I read the original proposal was that you paid 10K to enter the tournament and then were given 10 packs and had to build a team from what you got. No-one is stopping you from buying 10 packs and entering a tournament with the players you pulled because that's essentially just an open tournament given that you could pull anything from Iron to Perfect fro those packs. But I don't see how you could make a tournament that knows you you are using players you pulled from packs unless you imposed the 10K fee as an entry to the tournament. __________________ Good times, good vibes going forwards.

11-22-2019, 12:14 PM	#13
Dogberry99 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 1,328	Honestly, it doesn't matter what any of us think. What matters is how the laws are written, interpreted, and enforced, and what legal risks OOTP is willing to accept. With loot boxes having a dubious legal standing in some countries, OOTP may want to avoid anything that could even approach that. Sure, they could toe the line and find a way to make it work legally, but why would a small studio want to spend that money on the lawyers needed to make sure they were doing things in a legally acceptable manner when it won't be a significant improvement over other less ambiguous options? __________________ "And, Masters, do not forget to specify, when time and place shall serve, that I am an [censored]." (Much Ado About Nothing 5.1.255-256) Primary Team Collection Rewards (Cards & Packs) F2P Theme Team Movers F2P Theme and Adam Schlesinger Memorial Team

11-21-2019, 11:25 AM	#7
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	What? Something doesn't become or not become gambling based on how the stake was acquired...

11-21-2019, 02:31 PM	#8
xekyn92 Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 12	I think a tournament type where each participant builds a team from random packs would be a ton of fun, especially if the winner gets to keep a card or something along those lines. Either that or a draft mode, where the draft is populated by cards randomly drawn from packs, but that may be difficult to do with too many participants.

11-22-2019, 07:52 AM	#12
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Paying 10K and then getting 10 packs is the same as buying ten packs... It's not an "entry fee" because you are already getting the cards that you bought

11-23-2019, 05:28 PM	#14
GlassGuyBob Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 121	What laws are you even talking about? I'm 100% sure you have no clue what you're taking about. These laws don't exist. The most popular online games run this model. Magic, Hearthstone, etc. Magic has had an online client doing sealed events for 20 years, plus their tournaments have entry fees higher than the cost of the packs. __________________

11-23-2019, 05:41 PM	#15
QuantaCondor All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 560	Great concept, but in practice probably not very fun. These ideas work in HS and Magic because building and piloting a deck are two separate components that each matter a lot in terms of who wins the tournament. Additionally, you very rarely have cards that are strictly better than one another; the vast majority of the time, the cards fill different roles in different builds. In OOTP, the "piloting" component of the game is a lot less prominent, and more frequently you'll see pulls that are just strictly better versions of cards (especially true with pitching). I think cap tourneys are a lot more promising as the limited format of choice. I would still absolutely play this mode, of course. Maybe it might even convince me to spend PP on packs. But I think it'd be more of a gimmick than a real mode. __________________ Former leader of BFF, the definitive competitive PT group for F2P players. DM for info F2P + restrictions. First F2P winner of PT21 Perfect League F2P + restrictions. New team -> PT title in 8 weeks

11-23-2019, 08:13 PM	#17
Pine Tar Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 106	Tournaments that cost more to enter than the best prize to be won will only appeal to whales. That said if enough players want that kind of tournament then make it available. Supply and demand should be the order of the day. Pine