Picking a DH

El Jeffe · 04-20-2019, 01:43 AM

I'm having a hell of a time settling on a DH. I tried Tony Gwynn (contact 93) for a season and he was bad. Hank Greensburg (91 power) was a bust. This season I tried gold Lou Gehrig then Jose Altuve. Altuve hit .298 but no power and too many K's, but he was the only one over .250. Position players seem to hit in line with their ratings but anyone I put in DH dogs it. WTF?

herbyhancok · 04-20-2019, 02:45 AM

Probably just bad luck more than anything. I know in The Book and other articles it's been shown that pinch hitters and DHs, overall, hit poorer than they would otherwise, so maybe the game has some form of DH penalty. Even then, I doubt the penalty would be nearly large enough to explain the poor output you've been getting.

I don't really ever play AL teams in the standard game, so I don't have much track record to go off outside of PT. You can't see splits for players' batting numbers at different positions to get an idea if there is a penalty going on and the substitution splits are just way too small of a sample to draw off of, among other things.

I guess that was a long-winded way of saying: I got no clue, probably just bad luck.

JanesAddctn · 04-20-2019, 02:54 AM

If you can find/afford

All-Star 95 overall Stan Musial has been great. Left handed 83 contact 74 gap 80 power.

The crown jewel for me: Record Breaker 98 overall Ted Williams.... Very fortunate pull. 95 contact 73 gap 88 power

Honorable mention - 95 overall Diamond All-Star Albert Pujols

Spartan68 · 04-20-2019, 03:02 AM

Ive had a stellar performance from Willie McCovey, he hits well leads league in HRs and RBI. I think it just all depends on your lineup as a whole.

OMGPuppies · 04-20-2019, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan68

Ive had a stellar performance from Willie McCovey, he hits well leads league in HRs and RBI. I think it just all depends on your lineup as a whole.

Second this.

QuantaCondor · 04-20-2019, 05:49 AM

Sixto Lezcano is the answer here. Likely the best <5k PP player you can find for the DH slot.

Orcin · 04-20-2019, 09:29 AM

My theory: I want a guy that hits well from both sides of the plate so I don’t have to platoon him. I look for a guy that would be rated much higher if not for his poor defense.

Kushiel · 04-20-2019, 11:09 AM

I am using Sam Rice. He is OVR 90 and not too hard on the PP to get hold of. He bats lefty which is most important to me for DH because he faces such a high percentage of RH pitchers with 89 CON. However, his contact against LHers is also 84. He has the added bonus of running well and his power is not non-existant at 60 although power means much less to me than many. He has not and will not set foot in my OF but he does his assigned job well with an average WAR of 5 so far.

daves · 04-20-2019, 01:02 PM

JD Martinez actually received a boost. Great against Lefties and above average against righties.

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Dogberry99 · 04-20-2019, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by herbyhancok

Probably just bad luck more than anything. I know in The Book and other articles it's been shown that pinch hitters and DHs, overall, hit poorer than they would otherwise, so maybe the game has some form of DH penalty. Even then, I doubt the penalty would be nearly large enough to explain the poor output you've been getting.

The devs have actually stated on these forums that there is a DH penalty, haven't they?

Orcin · 04-20-2019, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogberry99

The devs have actually stated on these forums that there is a DH penalty, haven't they?

Yes.

old timer · 04-20-2019, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogberry99

The devs have actually stated on these forums that there is a DH penalty, haven't they?

So does this mean that if you play someone in the field, he'll have higher ratings than if he's the DH? In other words, the stated ratings are only true if he plays in the field and they're reduced (though hidden) if he's the DH?

If this is true, does anyone know what kind of penalty is applied? Are all offensive ratings affected and by how much?

Orcin · 04-20-2019, 03:22 PM

My understanding is that it is equivalent to a minor fatigue penalty.

Matt Arnold · 04-20-2019, 03:42 PM

Yeah, it's like a couple percent. I wouldn't worry about it for a big hitter - the extra games they get in by not having the same fatigue issues would more than make up for the DH penalty.

Bunktown Ballers · 10-12-2019, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yeah, it's like a couple percent. I wouldn't worry about it for a big hitter - the extra games they get in by not having the same fatigue issues would more than make up for the DH penalty.

What is the purpose of doing this? I'm already pretty much convinced rating really dont mean much & now this. Lord please don't let me spend anymore money on PT. Like the fix is in. What other things we don't know about? Makes one think why OOTP really got into PT thing

Westheim · 10-12-2019, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Makes one think why OOTP really got into PT thing

To freak out all the conspiracy theory nuts.

atabakin · 10-12-2019, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

What is the purpose of doing this? I'm already pretty much convinced rating really dont mean much & now this. Lord please don't let me spend anymore money on PT. Like the fix is in. What other things we don't know about? Makes one think why OOTP really got into PT thing

My parents' old music collection called. It wants its broken record back.

macacks · 10-12-2019, 11:05 AM

Does anyone have Legend Greenberg stats in Perfect League? Platoon assumed.

daves · 10-12-2019, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by macacks

Does anyone have Legend Greenberg stats in Perfect League? Platton assumed.

Below

bailey · 10-12-2019, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

What is the purpose of doing this? I'm already pretty much convinced rating really dont mean much & now this. Lord please don't let me spend anymore money on PT. Like the fix is in. What other things we don't know about? Makes one think why OOTP really got into PT thing

I don't quite agree with this sentiment, but it does bring up a big point. Questions have been answered on this forum by the developers that have an impact on strategic choices, but none of this is collected anywhere in one place. Not even in the manual. I wish all the hidden and or obscure features of this game, would be described and placed in the manual or some other convenient place.

04-20-2019, 01:43 AM	#1
El Jeffe Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 42	Picking a DH I'm having a hell of a time settling on a DH. I tried Tony Gwynn (contact 93) for a season and he was bad. Hank Greensburg (91 power) was a bust. This season I tried gold Lou Gehrig then Jose Altuve. Altuve hit .298 but no power and too many K's, but he was the only one over .250. Position players seem to hit in line with their ratings but anyone I put in DH dogs it. WTF?

04-20-2019, 11:09 AM	#8
Kushiel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas Posts: 1,697	I am using Sam Rice. He is OVR 90 and not too hard on the PP to get hold of. He bats lefty which is most important to me for DH because he faces such a high percentage of RH pitchers with 89 CON. However, his contact against LHers is also 84. He has the added bonus of running well and his power is not non-existant at 60 although power means much less to me than many. He has not and will not set foot in my OF but he does his assigned job well with an average WAR of 5 so far. __________________ *Favente Deo supero*

04-20-2019, 01:02 PM	#9
daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,634	JD Martinez actually received a boost. Great against Lefties and above average against righties. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________

10-12-2019, 11:05 AM	#18
macacks Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Canada Posts: 285	Does anyone have Legend Greenberg stats in Perfect League? Platoon assumed. __________________ Last edited by macacks; 10-12-2019 at 02:38 PM.

04-20-2019, 02:45 AM	#2
herbyhancok Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 76	Probably just bad luck more than anything. I know in The Book and other articles it's been shown that pinch hitters and DHs, overall, hit poorer than they would otherwise, so maybe the game has some form of DH penalty. Even then, I doubt the penalty would be nearly large enough to explain the poor output you've been getting. I don't really ever play AL teams in the standard game, so I don't have much track record to go off outside of PT. You can't see splits for players' batting numbers at different positions to get an idea if there is a penalty going on and the substitution splits are just way too small of a sample to draw off of, among other things. I guess that was a long-winded way of saying: I got no clue, probably just bad luck.

04-20-2019, 02:54 AM	#3
JanesAddctn Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 75	If you can find/afford All-Star 95 overall Stan Musial has been great. Left handed 83 contact 74 gap 80 power. The crown jewel for me: Record Breaker 98 overall Ted Williams.... Very fortunate pull. 95 contact 73 gap 88 power Honorable mention - 95 overall Diamond All-Star Albert Pujols

04-20-2019, 03:02 AM	#4
Spartan68 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 41	Ive had a stellar performance from Willie McCovey, he hits well leads league in HRs and RBI. I think it just all depends on your lineup as a whole.

04-20-2019, 05:49 AM	#6
QuantaCondor All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 560	Sixto Lezcano is the answer here. Likely the best <5k PP player you can find for the DH slot.

04-20-2019, 09:29 AM	#7
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	My theory: I want a guy that hits well from both sides of the plate so I don’t have to platoon him. I look for a guy that would be rated much higher if not for his poor defense.

04-20-2019, 03:22 PM	#13
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	My understanding is that it is equivalent to a minor fatigue penalty.

04-20-2019, 03:42 PM	#14
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,120	Yeah, it's like a couple percent. I wouldn't worry about it for a big hitter - the extra games they get in by not having the same fatigue issues would more than make up for the DH penalty.