Cheater Cheater Pumpkin Eater! - Page 2

NotMuchTime · 07-01-2018, 03:02 PM

I voted 'never cheat', but I have a confession to make. I have, in the past, cheated and changed player ratings. I only changed obviously flawed ratings and in no way did I fluff any player ratings up. I changed them to what I thought was fair. I apologize to anyone that is offended. I have changed my wicked ways and no longer partake in such vulgar and wicked practices.

jimmysthebestcop · 07-01-2018, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NotMuchTime

I voted 'never cheat', but I have a confession to make. I have, in the past, cheated and changed player ratings. I only changed obviously flawed ratings and in no way did I fluff any player ratings up. I changed them to what I thought was fair. I apologize to anyone that is offended. I have changed my wicked ways and no longer partake in such vulgar and wicked practices.

So you cheated the poll lol. I love this thread. Haven't had OOTP long enough to do anything.

When I played Crusader Kings 2 endlessly I usually had 2 games. 1 iron man game and 1 save scum cheating game just to see what kind of crazy stuff could be pulled off.

Maybe OOTP can get the same treatment

krownroyal83 · 07-02-2018, 12:59 AM

The only time I "cheat" in my fictional league is if a top player decides to randomly retire in the prime of his career. Other than that I let it play out as it happens.

Blackmissiongoggles · 07-02-2018, 01:56 PM

I came outrageously close to cheating yesterday. Was on a ten-win run with the Rockies and broke the streak with an awful loss to the Marlins. Was up 9-2 going into the 8th and my manager left Chad Bettis in since he was hot. He gets shelled and we give up 8 runs that inning.

Then Blackmon breaks his kneecap to start the 9th (he signed a 6yr $170m that week). Then we lose the recently acquired Jose Abreu for the season on a defensive play. We give up another run and lose 11-9. I just stared at the screen for at least a minute before saving and closing.

Reeeeaaallly wanted to rage quit, though. Such is life. Such is Out of the Park Baseball.

Honorable_Pawn · 07-02-2018, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

So I start a league with Shoeless Joe and Satchel Paige both imported at an early age because I want to see what they would do over a full career.

Jackson has a CEI at age 27 and I un-injure him and bring him back.

So now I'm cheating am I?

As OOTP Developments says, it's your game, play it your way.

kehowey · 07-03-2018, 01:40 PM

I do change the height and weight sometimes to match the players abilities. I also change names and profile pictures.

NCBeachBum · 07-03-2018, 02:00 PM

I went with the second one, though in my case it isn't at all cheating. My primary method of play is 19th c. ball, and in recent years I've moved more from pure historical to historical teams/fictional players (after probably a thousand 19th c. historical playthroughs since v4). I edit the ratings of every player at creation yearly, because the offensive spread across positions was different back then. There are also a couple of times when I use a partially randomized process to recreate historical events, most notably the complete collapse of some high profile players after the fair-foul hit was banned.

But the main reason I say it's not cheating is because in those leagues, I never run a team. I'm commissioner only, watching the seasons unfold.

NCBeachBum · 07-03-2018, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

So you cheated the poll lol. I love this thread. Haven't had OOTP long enough to do anything.

When I played Crusader Kings 2 endlessly I usually had 2 games. 1 iron man game and 1 save scum cheating game just to see what kind of crazy stuff could be pulled off.

Maybe OOTP can get the same treatment

I did this once just to see that crazy antichrist portal to hell storyline that can happen something like one time every 10000 dynasaties. I didn't think I'd live long enough to see it happen naturally.

Airdrop01 · 07-03-2018, 02:29 PM

Based on the results, so far, and I would imagine more play on commissioner mode than Challengr Mode, the thread title could be “Liar Liar Pants on Fire!” 😂

OutS|der · 07-03-2018, 03:08 PM

I can't play without cheating, at least during league creation

My latest cheat is importing 800 of the All time best MLB, Nippon and Negro league players as rookies, making some changes to their ratings, then adding them to the teams they played with the most or as FA's in the Nippon and Negro players then sitting back and watching then take over and destroy all records in every league. I'll pick one team and stick with it without cheating from that point on.

At least until I blow it all up and start all over again.

Reggie · 07-03-2018, 03:48 PM

I didn't cheat until I started adding real players into my fictional league.I was cheating because I was trading for the real players when they were very young. At first I justified it by assuming the other GM was just clueless.. but I knew I had an unfair advantage. Abandoned a 7 year league and started over because of it.

Westheim · 07-03-2018, 04:16 PM

If you cheat, you are weak and a gross disappointment to society, the sport, and your parents.

Proof that I don't cheat, ever, is in my dynasty thread, spread thickly across all 100-some pages.

Airdrop01 · 07-03-2018, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NotMuchTime

I voted 'never cheat', but I have a confession to make. I have, in the past, cheated and changed player ratings. I only changed obviously flawed ratings and in no way did I fluff any player ratings up. I changed them to what I thought was fair. I apologize to anyone that is offended. I have changed my wicked ways and no longer partake in such vulgar and wicked practices.

No sweat, because it's a computer game, baby! It's for fun so change them how you want. When I played non challenge mode games, one of the first things I did a few years back was make guys like Byron Buxton look like his actual talent, based upon my personal eye test, rather than PECOTA, WAR, or whatever the hype and allegedly "accurate" hype of the sabr crowd at the time was....

rjl518 · 07-03-2018, 06:51 PM

I don't cheat.
BUT THE AI DOES!!!!

NotMuchTime · 07-03-2018, 10:01 PM

I don't cheat, but when I do, I whistle an interesting tune and don't look.

mmarra82 · 07-04-2018, 08:11 AM

At the start of a franchise I’ll tweaked managers sliders the way they handle things. Such as remove relievers quicker or play favor towards veterans.

daves · 07-04-2018, 11:46 AM

It's a game to enjoy on your own time the way you want to play it. If you are playing solo leagues, feel free to play any way you desire. But if you are competing against others, then certain rules and standards apply.

Besides, I thought I read threads that the AI is cheating?

NoOne · 07-04-2018, 01:17 PM

i have serious leagues and 'fun' leagues. it all depends.

in anything i play long-term, general rule of thumb is that there's no moving players, editing or anything like that. i do use 'do not fire', because i have no interest in running a different team. gm-legacy mode, because i want to have an ai manager and still control things.

I do create mini-me managers and name them II, III, III et cetera. set their strategies to my preferences, too. I also hand-tailor my Asst. GM, although that's more window-dressing because i delegate nothing to him. if anything automatically happens due to him, i want it to resemble my preferences.

i used to never do anything beyond superficial stuff like that, but the last couple years i've also created 1-2 young, 'legendary' batters/pitchers primed for a long career. they don't always set the highest records in the end, but they are definitely 'generational' players as intended. it's fun, so i'm going to continue to do so. cf/ss/sp/cl type thing.

between ootp, bases loaded, hardball, something on the c64, madden, tecmo bowl, blah blah blha i've played thousands upon thousands of years of simulation sports games and almost all of that is a 'career-mode' or i made it that way by hand. let's just say i have a fairly well-thought out system of doing things by this point. nowadays, i do like to skip what i consider formalities of starting an organization. the 'legends' created pretty much take care of this... at least ~80% of it or so, which is good enough.

if/when i ever rebuild a team, nowadays, it's with my hometown team and real players. so, i do brush up on / refresh those processes on occasion. it is the stuff i consider tedious and not much of a challenge* anymore. *not just in reference to ootp but any and all sports sims with career mode since 1980's. the variable changes but the way i do it is incredibly redundant at this point in time.

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in a fun league i do all sorts of stuff. i maintain a similar quality team, but i distribute my cast offs to specific teams to create dominant teams in other divisions. i keep my MiL managers ~young-ish so they never retire -- keeps whole history of the team at a click in personnell page.

scouts maxed, mil coaches maxed with 20 year contracts, revenue so high that i can just set ticket prices to $30-32 and not care. i may not turn off injuries, but "1" for proneness(es) is nearly as good.

i actually lose more WS in my fun leagues, because the 2 other divisions have a monster team some years and a great team most other years.

i can play at a faster rate in this type of league, too. these easily zoom out ~70-100 years in the course of 1 ootp release. the normal leagues only make it that long if i play them from an early point and for ~nearly a year. ootp18 is one of those years... nearing 100 years with a non-fun league (NFL?).

DaBears · 07-04-2018, 09:33 PM

If you watch the news on a nightly basis, then look at the poll results herein....

OOTP for some reason attracts an inordinately honest group of people compared to the average citizen!

r0nster · 07-05-2018, 02:14 PM

I do occassionally change injury setting for players who are amazing players as I would want to see them continue the greatness and I do not like how the AI sits players too often with key players. These players I speak of are NOT my players as I control my team down to MGR and play them out

View Poll Results: Do you Cheat When you Play OOTP and how much?
I never cheat..what happens happens...	120	71.43%
I do edit player ratings but that's it	22	13.10%
I edit players, change injury times, move players to other teams but that's it	16	9.52%
I change everything including killing OOTP so game results I don't like won't save	10	5.95%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

07-03-2018, 02:00 PM	#27
NCBeachBum All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Topsail Island, NC, USA Posts: 1,049	I went with the second one, though in my case it isn't at all cheating. My primary method of play is 19th c. ball, and in recent years I've moved more from pure historical to historical teams/fictional players (after probably a thousand 19th c. historical playthroughs since v4). I edit the ratings of every player at creation yearly, because the offensive spread across positions was different back then. There are also a couple of times when I use a partially randomized process to recreate historical events, most notably the complete collapse of some high profile players after the fair-foul hit was banned. But the main reason I say it's not cheating is because in those leagues, I never run a team. I'm commissioner only, watching the seasons unfold. __________________ And ain't that a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame, the way you do Oh, it's a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame on you

07-03-2018, 02:29 PM	#29
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Based on the results, so far, and I would imagine more play on commissioner mode than Challengr Mode, the thread title could be “Liar Liar Pants on Fire!” 😂 __________________

07-03-2018, 04:16 PM	#32
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 11,903	If you cheat, you are weak and a gross disappointment to society, the sport, and your parents. Proof that I don't cheat, ever, is in my dynasty thread, spread thickly across all 100-some pages. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 83 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

07-03-2018, 06:51 PM	#34
rjl518 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Born in Shea Stadium, lives in LoanDepot Park. Posts: 6,240	I don't cheat. BUT THE AI DOES!!!! __________________ My Threads: MLB Project 32 by SFGiants58 "Colon looking for his 1st hit of the year and he DRIVES ONE! Deep left field! Back goes Upton! Back near the wall! ITS OUTTA HERE!!! Bartolo has done it!!! THE IMPOSSIBLE HAS HAPPENED!!! This is one of the great moments in the history of baseball! Bartolo Colon has gone deep!" ---Gary Cohen. (May 7, 2016) (Petco Park) NYM 6 @ SD 3 Last edited by rjl518; 07-03-2018 at 06:52 PM.

07-01-2018, 03:02 PM	#21
NotMuchTime Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 150	I voted 'never cheat', but I have a confession to make. I have, in the past, cheated and changed player ratings. I only changed obviously flawed ratings and in no way did I fluff any player ratings up. I changed them to what I thought was fair. I apologize to anyone that is offended. I have changed my wicked ways and no longer partake in such vulgar and wicked practices.

07-02-2018, 12:59 AM	#23
krownroyal83 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 905	The only time I "cheat" in my fictional league is if a top player decides to randomly retire in the prime of his career. Other than that I let it play out as it happens.

07-02-2018, 01:56 PM	#24
Blackmissiongoggles Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 22	I came outrageously close to cheating yesterday. Was on a ten-win run with the Rockies and broke the streak with an awful loss to the Marlins. Was up 9-2 going into the 8th and my manager left Chad Bettis in since he was hot. He gets shelled and we give up 8 runs that inning. Then Blackmon breaks his kneecap to start the 9th (he signed a 6yr $170m that week). Then we lose the recently acquired Jose Abreu for the season on a defensive play. We give up another run and lose 11-9. I just stared at the screen for at least a minute before saving and closing. Reeeeaaallly wanted to rage quit, though. Such is life. Such is Out of the Park Baseball.

07-03-2018, 01:40 PM	#26
kehowey Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 327	I do change the height and weight sometimes to match the players abilities. I also change names and profile pictures.

07-03-2018, 03:08 PM	#30
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,247	I can't play without cheating, at least during league creation My latest cheat is importing 800 of the All time best MLB, Nippon and Negro league players as rookies, making some changes to their ratings, then adding them to the teams they played with the most or as FA's in the Nippon and Negro players then sitting back and watching then take over and destroy all records in every league. I'll pick one team and stick with it without cheating from that point on. At least until I blow it all up and start all over again.

07-03-2018, 03:48 PM	#31
Reggie Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 442	I didn't cheat until I started adding real players into my fictional league.I was cheating because I was trading for the real players when they were very young. At first I justified it by assuming the other GM was just clueless.. but I knew I had an unfair advantage. Abandoned a 7 year league and started over because of it.

07-03-2018, 10:01 PM	#35
NotMuchTime Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 150	I don't cheat, but when I do, I whistle an interesting tune and don't look.

07-04-2018, 08:11 AM	#36
mmarra82 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 310	At the start of a franchise I’ll tweaked managers sliders the way they handle things. Such as remove relievers quicker or play favor towards veterans.

07-04-2018, 11:46 AM	#37
daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,635	It's a game to enjoy on your own time the way you want to play it. If you are playing solo leagues, feel free to play any way you desire. But if you are competing against others, then certain rules and standards apply. Besides, I thought I read threads that the AI is cheating? __________________ Last edited by daves; 07-04-2018 at 12:25 PM.

07-04-2018, 01:17 PM	#38
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	i have serious leagues and 'fun' leagues. it all depends. in anything i play long-term, general rule of thumb is that there's no moving players, editing or anything like that. i do use 'do not fire', because i have no interest in running a different team. gm-legacy mode, because i want to have an ai manager and still control things. I do create mini-me managers and name them II, III, III et cetera. set their strategies to my preferences, too. I also hand-tailor my Asst. GM, although that's more window-dressing because i delegate nothing to him. if anything automatically happens due to him, i want it to resemble my preferences. i used to never do anything beyond superficial stuff like that, but the last couple years i've also created 1-2 young, 'legendary' batters/pitchers primed for a long career. they don't always set the highest records in the end, but they are definitely 'generational' players as intended. it's fun, so i'm going to continue to do so. cf/ss/sp/cl type thing. between ootp, bases loaded, hardball, something on the c64, madden, tecmo bowl, blah blah blha i've played thousands upon thousands of years of simulation sports games and almost all of that is a 'career-mode' or i made it that way by hand. let's just say i have a fairly well-thought out system of doing things by this point. nowadays, i do like to skip what i consider formalities of starting an organization. the 'legends' created pretty much take care of this... at least ~80% of it or so, which is good enough. if/when i ever rebuild a team, nowadays, it's with my hometown team and real players. so, i do brush up on / refresh those processes on occasion. it is the stuff i consider tedious and not much of a challenge* anymore. *not just in reference to ootp but any and all sports sims with career mode since 1980's. the variable changes but the way i do it is incredibly redundant at this point in time. ---- in a fun league i do all sorts of stuff. i maintain a similar quality team, but i distribute my cast offs to specific teams to create dominant teams in other divisions. i keep my MiL managers ~young-ish so they never retire -- keeps whole history of the team at a click in personnell page. scouts maxed, mil coaches maxed with 20 year contracts, revenue so high that i can just set ticket prices to $30-32 and not care. i may not turn off injuries, but "1" for proneness(es) is nearly as good. i actually lose more WS in my fun leagues, because the 2 other divisions have a monster team some years and a great team most other years. i can play at a faster rate in this type of league, too. these easily zoom out ~70-100 years in the course of 1 ootp release. the normal leagues only make it that long if i play them from an early point and for ~nearly a year. ootp18 is one of those years... nearing 100 years with a non-fun league (NFL?).

07-04-2018, 09:33 PM	#39
DaBears Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 469	If you watch the news on a nightly basis, then look at the poll results herein.... OOTP for some reason attracts an inordinately honest group of people compared to the average citizen!

07-05-2018, 02:14 PM	#40
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	I do occassionally change injury setting for players who are amazing players as I would want to see them continue the greatness and I do not like how the AI sits players too often with key players. These players I speak of are NOT my players as I control my team down to MGR and play them out