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Derek Jeter is facing Cy Young, but he's also facing a lot of Joe Schmoes. Everybody is in there, and the talent distribution is actually pretty comparable to a regular historical game because there's a huge range in talent. The high-end talent is (as is typical IRL) in short supply, and as the talent level drops, the pool increases. I use a five round draft in my RD leagues, and that's more than enough to keep them competitive. You get 44 players per team off the top, and that number keeps increasing, even with just five rounds worth of new players every year.
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I ran some tests during beta and OOTP19 still seems to run a bit hot. It might be an improvement over OOTP18, however. In the past, when I've tried random debut leagues, I've always limited the range from 1920 to Present. Including dead ball era players (and earlier) seems to result in too many outliers. But maybe that's just me.
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Thank you for the analysis, I don’t want to eliminate players, but is there an easy way to excluded dead ball era players?
Would one way to combat the hot issues be to modify the TCR? Just a thought, I am going to attempt a random debut league and hope for the best because it’s my preferred way to play in my solo leagues. |
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I had Rogers Hornsby hit .485 in a straight historical with no development. Pretty sure it was a real lineups setup. I know it was a real transaction setup. Like I said before, this wouldn't bug me as much if the game never had the ability to create realistic stats. It did. OOTP16, 15, 14 etc. But, over the last two versions something changed. I think a game so proud of it's ability to create league numbers so close to reality, would be embarrassed to produce individual seasons that make a mockery of real baseball's single season leaderboards. And please don't think I'm against outlier seasons. I just detailed two of them(George Scott and Greg Luzinski in my Southern League thread in the Historical section). Outlier seasons make this game incredible. But, it loses it's greatness when in order for George Scott to have that outlier season he has to string together 3 or more seasons hitting above .350. Ugh, sorry for whining once again. It just sucks to have your favorite way of playing the game ripped out from under you. Last edited by David Watts; 03-18-2018 at 11:03 AM. |
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Regarding the mode in comparison to OOTP 16, there was no change that I am aware of, other than the usual tweaks to AI or league LTM calculations and defensive ratings. The ratings neutralization was not touched, so player ratings should still be very similar. I can absolutely see no reason for outliers other than small sample size or simply bad luck because the competition in the league is weak by chance. Edit: A few tips: -Exclude players prior to 1901 - Always use "career mode", so that at least 3-year ratings recalc is used. - Set fielding ratings recalc period to 3 years, too. - Play around with the "adjust players minimum AB" etc settings I just tested a league (1984 stats settings) and simmed a few years in OOTP 19 and everything looks fine to me.
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So, Rogers Hornsby played against competition so much different than he did in real life while participating in a real transactions league, that he was a .485 hitter? Shooting fish in a ocean here, but could it be a lack of Lahman issue? Wonder if we were able to plug the Lahman into 18 if we would be getting the same monster seasons. Who knows, but denying nothing changed is like denying the existence of taxes, Oprah and butter. |
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If you want to limit outliers and keep the top players from performing really well in a random debut league, then you'll want to be sure to set this pretty low.
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Here's an example of what Paul got simming out a historical game a few builds ago in the OOTP19 beta:
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Now whether that's true for your specific random debut method of playing with the 1984 statistical environment, I have no idea. As as I know you're the only person who plays that specific way and I don't think anyone has tested that out during beta.
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And Hornsby had a well balanced league as competition in real life. In random debut it may happen that he plays against many more scrubs (if you got unlucky with the import)...
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From what I understand, the issues David is getting don't tend to be with low ab guys from rl having great seasons either, it's more with already pretty great guys who got lots of abs having even better seasons like Hornsby, Ron Santo, George Scott types.
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"Always use career mode for random debut. It may be that replay mode is set as default for you"
Where is this option: Career mode vs. Random mode??
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First step in the league creation wizard, below the option where you enable random debut.
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OK, ran a test in OOTP 19... random debut, career mode, simmed from 1970 to 1980. I had only 5 players hitting .350+ for a season (Ed Delahanty had the best and 2nd best at .374 and .372, the others were Gehrig, McGriff, Babe Herman). All other stats look great, too. No unreasonable outliers. HR high was 49 (Mays).
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