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05-20-2014, 05:06 PM | #21 |
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SP-Jason Verlander [/QUOTE] Who?
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I'm a long time Tiger loyalist as well, and here is my all-time Tiger 25-man roster:
1B: Hank Greenberg 2B: Charlie Gehringer SS: Alan Trammell 3B: George Kell UTI: Lou Whitaker UTI: Donie Bush LF: Bobby Veach CF: Ty Cobb RF: Al Kaline UTO: Chet Lemon C: Bill Freehan C: Mickey Cochrane DH: Miguel Cabrera SP: Hal Newhouser SP: Justin Verlander SP: Tommy Bridges SP: Dizzy Trout SP: Mickey Lolich RP: Doug Brocail RP: Mike Henneman RP: Aurelio Lopez RP: Jamie Walker RP: John Hiller SU: Joaquin Benoit CL: Guillermo Hernandez |
05-21-2014, 08:42 AM | #23 |
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I'm not a Tigers fan, but I'm surprised Sam Crawford didn't make it on either of your lists.
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Any one who includes Doug Brocail and Jamie Walker without Frank Lary is weak in the head.
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You don't know that Brocail and Jamie Walker are relievers and Frank Lary is a starter, do you?
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I suppose I could put him out there as a UTOF instead of Chet, couldn't I? Good call.
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Yes I did use the "new way" of creating my league. No I did not notice any odd stats, everything seemed as it would be if this were possible.
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Late to the party, sorry ...
In my humble opinion, any GREATEST TEAMS league should never include either teams from the Deadball Era (but I love it) nor the 1980s (which I also love). For these two reasons: The Deadball Era (1900 to 1919) teams don't have the firepower to match teams from 1921 and after. They just don't. We'd hope and assume that pitching and speed would make up the difference, but it doesn't. And I bet these teams rarely (if ever) perform well in mixed-era leagues. They sure don't do it for me. Teams from the 1980s (and the 70s, to a lesser extent) are just weak all around. I think one could play a very compelling and entertaining 70s-80s "Best Team's" league, but the 80s ELITE teams (1984 Tigers, 1986 Mets, 1988-89-90 Athletics) don't fare well against elite teams or even "good" teams from other Eras. |
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ONE MORE THING ....
There is only ONE Kansas City Royals team that belongs in any GREATEST TEAMS discussion, and it is not the 1985 team nor (holy God) the 1989 team. 1980 Royals are entertaining, but just TRY getting through an entire season replay with that pitching staff. It is 1977, hands down. That Royals team was one of the best of the decade, period. The 1985 Royals (especially without Lonnie Smith) can't hit at all. Their pitching is good, but certainly not great. How did they win a World Series? Because it was 1985, that's how. |
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You obviously know your baseball which is why I am surprised at the low regard you hold the 70s. You have the Big Red Machine, The Swinging A's, The 78 & 79 Yankees, the beginning and the end of the decade Orioles and Pirates, along with the second half of the decade Royals. These teams will hold their own against any decade when it comes to both excellence and star power. |
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06-04-2014, 07:28 AM | #34 |
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Tough to answer this question.
For the New York Giants, maybe the 1922 team. For San Francisco--I'm sure the 1962 team was great but they played about 20 years before my time so I'm going to have to go with the Giants of either 1989 or 1993...though the 2010 team was no slouch. |
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No All-Time Tiger team is complete without the great Gates Brown ,,,,18 for 40 with 3 HRs as a pinch hitter for the champs in 1968 whats that , .450 ?
as the man said, "you could look it up"
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1980 vs. 1986 is tough for me. 1980 Nolan Ryan and J R Richard. I think Richard was way better than Scott. He just didn't have the longevity.
1980 93-70 1st place, NL West Key Batters HR RBI AVG C Alan Ashby 3 48 .256 1B Art Howe 10 46 .283 2B Joe Morgan 11 49 .243 3B Enos Cabell 2 55 .276 SS Craig Reynolds 3 28 .226 LF Jose Cruz 11 91 .302 CF Cesar Cedeno 10 73 .309 RF Terry Puhl 13 55 .282 IF Rafael Landestoy 1 27 .247 IF Denny Walling 3 29 .299 C Luis Pujols 0 20 .199 OF Jeff Leonard 3 20 .213 Key Pitchers W L ERA SP Joe Niekro 20 12 3.55 SP Nolan Ryan 11 10 3.35 SP Ken Forsch 12 13 3.20 SP Vern Ruhle 12 4 2.37 SP J.R. Richard 10 4 1.90 CL Joe Sambito 8 4 2.19 RP Dave Smith 7 5 1.93 RP Frank LaCorte 8 5 2.82 RP Joaquin Andujar 3 8 3.91 1986 96-66 1st place, NL West Key Batters HR RBI AVG C Alan Ashby 7 38 .257 1B Glenn Davis 31 101 .265 2B Bill Doran 6 37 .276 3B Denny Walling 13 58 .312 SS Dickie Thon 3 21 .248 LF Jose Cruz 10 72 .278 CF Billy Hatcher 6 36 .258 RF Kevin Bass 20 79 .311 IF Phil Garner 9 41 .265 IF Craig Reynolds 6 41 .249 OF Terry Puhl 3 14 .244 C Mark Bailey 4 15 .176 Key Pitchers W L ERA SP Mike Scott 18 10 2.22 SP Bob Knepper 17 12 3.14 SP Nolan Ryan 12 8 3.34 SP Jim Deshaies 12 5 3.25 SP Danny Darwin 5 2 2.32 CL Dave Smith 4 7 2.73 RP Charley Kerfeld 11 2 2.59 RP Aurelio Lopez 3 3 3.46 RP Larry Andersen 2 1 2.78 I think 80 clearly had the stronger SP rotation. I liked Darwin and love Deshaises as a broadcaster but Forsch and knuckleball Neikro were better pitchers. That was a hitters nightmare to face Ryan followed by knucleballing Neikro then J R Richard. '86 didn't have that. Granted '86 had Larry Andersen whose trade made Astros fans very happy in the late 90's and early 2000s. Caser Cedeno > Corky Hatcher anyday. I loved Davis and Doran was highly underrated in his day but Joe Morgan was there in '80 and Art Howe was about equal to Davis. Enos Cabel > Denny Walling no debate there. I think 1980 gets the edge. It was just as good of series against the Phillies as '86 was against the Mets. You don't have a important homerun by a guy later caught with a corked bat either. Hatcher's repuatation just went downhill after '86. Mister it is the lights in the dome that are getting in my eyes that is why I can't catch a fly ball despite the fact he was making errors on the road too. Maybe I am just a little more attached to the 1980 team. I was 8 years old and my father and I saw some of the games at the dome. In '86 we were overseas seeing replays of the games a week later! Last edited by Biggio509; 07-30-2014 at 04:33 PM. |
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The 1977 Royals team tops the 1980 and 1985 versions because of its solidity through and through. The lineup is strong up and down, and there's some depth on the bench. There are no big breakaway hitting stars like George Brett & Willie Wilson in 1980 or Brett in 1985, but there's fewer glaring weaknesses. It's a tough, left-right-left-right hitting lineup that can really string together singles, doubles and triples and the occasional long ball. The 1977 team also has solid pitching. The starters go four deep (RHP Leonard, LHP Splittorff, RHP Colborn and LHP Hassler) with occasional No. 5 guy/long relief ace Marty Pattin. The back end of the bullpen is a little shaky, but not atrocious. It has a good mix of lefty-righty too. The 1980 squad has some great offensive performers (Wilson and Brett, especially) and it can produce runs almost as well as 1977 did. BUT ... the pitching is a ways off. Leonard is still good enough to chew through innings and come up with a dominant start now and then. Larry Gura is a strong lefty and Splittorff is OK, but not as dependable as 1977. Rich Gale is extreme hit and miss. Steve Busby is the very definition of gasoline on the fire; you put him on the mound and pray the lineup can score enough runs in five innings to keep up with what he'll give up. And then you turn to the bullpen, which outside of Dan Quisenberry is shaky at best. It's bad. The 1985 team has solid starting pitching and an average bullpen anchored by a still-dependable Quiz. The lineup is fall-down-laughing listless — especially if you go by the CON/POW ratings bestowed on the hitters by OOTP. Even for a mid-1980s team, it's one that you look at and wonder how on Earth they strung 91 wins together and won the World Series. Outside of the still-excellent Brett and the occasional bomb from Steve Balboni (who hits into lots of DPs and strikes out a lot), that lineup has to grind out every run it gets — like the 2014 Royals did, but with less overall speed. That's my reasoning, anyway. |
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