"Diagnosis Pending"

[evanbarth]

I've had players on back to back days go down with injuries with diagnonis pending. My home page recommends placing on DL. One player is my star player and don't want to DL him if he's out 3-4 days. If there is a diagnosis pending with that recommendation to DL, does that always mean the injury will be at least two weeks and I can DL the guys or am I taking a risk there?

[GMLoophole]

I'd answer your question, but I don't know as this feature really irritates me and I turn it off whenever I play.

In real life, the answer to your question is... yes, it''s a risk either way. It's also a risk if you choose 15 day instead of 60 day DL if your 40 man roster is full, because the 15 day DL guys are still counted on your 40 man roster.

[RchW]

I like it because it's very realistic. Many players get injured and sit out up to a week in RL MLB every season. Sometimes they sit then play a game or two then go on the DL. If OOTP could have this feature I'd love that too. Anything to make things tougher.

The OOTP feature should not allow you to put a player on the DL before the diagnosis. IRL the team doctor or a 3rd party doctor has to sign off for CBA reasons.

[awick]

You get that recommendation regardless of the eventual diagnosis. You get it even if the player eventually is diagnosed with a day-to-day injury lasting only another day.

[evanbarth]

The 15 to 60 day is less of a concern because you can move players to the 60 day after I think.

I'm more interested if it is recommending I put a guy on the DL whether that's a definite 2+ week injury. I had 2 in 2 days and need to call up players

[Sven Draconian]

I wish that when you had diagnosis pending it would atleast hint at the severity.

If there is a serious injury (broken bones, torn tendons/muscles) you can tell it's serous before it's diagnosed as a partial tear and all the details are known.

For example, I wish it would say "Diagnosis Pending (serious)" or, if it obviously a minor injury "Diagnosis Pending (non-serious)." Of course, leave the standard "Diagnosis Pending" for anything in between.

I like the idea of having to wait, but it should not be a complete mystery.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Sven Draconian

I wish that when you had diagnosis pending it would atleast hint at the severity.

If there is a serious injury (broken bones, torn tendons/muscles) you can tell it's serous before it's diagnosed as a partial tear and all the details are known.

For example, I wish it would say "Diagnosis Pending (serious)" or, if it obviously a minor injury "Diagnosis Pending (non-serious)." Of course, leave the standard "Diagnosis Pending" for anything in between.

I like the idea of having to wait, but it should not be a complete mystery.

To expand on that, we need more information than what is presently given. I would love to see this expanded on in v14.

Maybe something like, "Molina hurt his knee today rounding 3rd base, initial report from the team trainer is a strained MCL" Team doctors will get an MRI done on 5/14, but at best, Molina should be out of the lineup for at least the next few games.

Then maybe you get another report the next day on what the team doctor found and the recommendation.

I just think it would neat to expand the injury system.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

To expand on that, we need more information than what is presently given. I would love to see this expanded on in v14.

Maybe something like, "Molina hurt his knee today rounding 3rd base, initial report from the team trainer is a strained MCL" Team doctors will get an MRI done on 5/14, but at best, Molina should be out of the lineup for at least the next few games.

Then maybe you get another report the next day on what the team doctor found and the recommendation.

I just think it would neat to expand the injury system.

This.

[nebradska]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

To expand on that, we need more information than what is presently given. I would love to see this expanded on in v14.

Maybe something like, "Molina hurt his knee today rounding 3rd base, initial report from the team trainer is a strained MCL" Team doctors will get an MRI done on 5/14, but at best, Molina should be out of the lineup for at least the next few games.

Then maybe you get another report the next day on what the team doctor found and the recommendation.

I just think it would neat to expand the injury system.

Wow, that's a fantastic idea. I can't believe no one's ever though of that before.

EDIT: I mean that sincerely, especially given my line of study. I just want to clarify that I'm not being sarcastic.

[evanbarth]

What about my question? Is it possible it is a 2 day injury?

[Righty Groove]

Originally Posted by evanbarth

What about my question? Is it possible it is a 2 day injury?

Yes, it's possible. I would wait for the diagnosis before any DL.

[CBL-Commish]

Originally Posted by Sven Draconian

I wish that when you had diagnosis pending it would atleast hint at the severity.

If there is a serious injury (broken bones, torn tendons/muscles) you can tell it's serous before it's diagnosed as a partial tear and all the details are known.

For example, I wish it would say "Diagnosis Pending (serious)" or, if it obviously a minor injury "Diagnosis Pending (non-serious)." Of course, leave the standard "Diagnosis Pending" for anything in between.

I like the idea of having to wait, but it should not be a complete mystery.

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

To expand on that, we need more information than what is presently given. I would love to see this expanded on in v14.

Maybe something like, "Molina hurt his knee today rounding 3rd base, initial report from the team trainer is a strained MCL" Team doctors will get an MRI done on 5/14, but at best, Molina should be out of the lineup for at least the next few games.

Then maybe you get another report the next day on what the team doctor found and the recommendation.

I just think it would neat to expand the injury system.

Yes, this. I've been annoyed on more than one occasion where a guy had diagnosis pending for 3, 4, 5 days, and he ended up with a sprained ankle and was back on day 6. Then, of course, on other occasions someone has the exact same diagnosis pending and he has a torn labrum and is out for 12 months.

I'm pretty sure I've gotten the diagnosis pending on a traumatic injury like a broken leg. C'mon... that's just silly. He had his femur sticking out of his leg, but they had to set up an appointment with Dr. Andrews to confirm it's not just a torn ligament or a sprained ankle, and we really can't let you know until next Thursday.

[Syd Thrift]

I think the issue here is that the game engine as it stands doesn't really have a way of differentiating between broken bones (which, you're right, tend to be diagnosed immediately)* and torn ACL/rotator cuff type injuries, which often require diagnostic surgery. To the game, they're all just lines in a text file. Markus could add a new column into that file but that would also require him to either come up with a program that would read old injury.txt files and convert them automatically (which is problematic for a couple reasons) or else would make them unusable.

This is, alas, one of these simple-seeming issues which in reality isn't quite so simple.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by Sven Draconian

I wish that when you had diagnosis pending it would atleast hint at the severity.

If there is a serious injury (broken bones, torn tendons/muscles) you can tell it's serous before it's diagnosed as a partial tear and all the details are known.

For example, I wish it would say "Diagnosis Pending (serious)" or, if it obviously a minor injury "Diagnosis Pending (non-serious)." Of course, leave the standard "Diagnosis Pending" for anything in between.

I like the idea of having to wait, but it should not be a complete mystery.

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[nebradska]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

...broken bones (which, you're right, tend to be diagnosed immediately)* and torn ACL/rotator cuff type injuries, which often require diagnostic surgery...

That's not quite true. It depends on the severity of the break, of course, but without a compound fracture they often require an X-ray for confirmation. And torn ligaments are often diagnosed through clinical presentation and only confirmed by MRI imaging. Rarely these days is diagnostic surgery necessary for the diagnosis of a torn ligament.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by nebradska

That's not quite true. It depends on the severity of the break, of course, but without a compound fracture they often require an X-ray for confirmation. And torn ligaments are often diagnosed through clinical presentation and only confirmed by MRI imaging. Rarely these days is diagnostic surgery necessary for the diagnosis of a torn ligament.

You're right. But I think his point was that the player gets an x-ray and results within an hour or two of the injury, not days later as happens right now with the diagnosis pending situation.

[Syd Thrift]

I definitely like the idea of delayed diagnosis, and don't get too bogged down in the details of it. It's one of those things that makes you say "oh crap!" and think more about depth even when it turns out that your guy isn't badly injured.

[D-BacksJosh]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I definitely like the idea of delayed diagnosis, and don't get too bogged down in the details of it. It's one of those things that makes you say "oh crap!" and think more about depth even when it turns out that your guy isn't badly injured.

I agree.

[CBL-Commish]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I definitely like the idea of delayed diagnosis, and don't get too bogged down in the details of it. It's one of those things that makes you say "oh crap!" and think more about depth even when it turns out that your guy isn't badly injured.

Sure. But now you don't know if it's a blister or severe elbow pain. Many things that you pretty much differentiate immediately are 4-5 day waits.