Bronze market has collapsed - Page 3

mikezone13 · 11-12-2018, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

1-in-30? You are generous.

Well it was 1 in 30 when I looked at how many bids., but yep 3hrs have passed so probably 1 in 50 now

ThePretender · 11-12-2018, 06:14 AM

I just bought two bronze cards. I don't think the market is as dead as you think. I don't see the downside in just tossing them out for a low auction and if they don't sell, then immediately get the 5-25 points.

Orcin · 11-12-2018, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePretender

I just bought two bronze cards. I don't think the market is as dead as you think. I don't see the downside in just tossing them out for a low auction and if they don't sell, then immediately get the 5-25 points.

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Be kind to your fellow players. We were all newbies once (a week ago). Those new people entering the game really need those bronze and even common cards to get started. Collectors would like to have a shot at them too. Put them out there for 24 hours with the auto-sell button checked. Nothing to lose except an extra few clicks and a day of money that amounts to nothing.

ShaneCarson · 11-12-2018, 09:31 AM

Bronze market definitely isn't dead. Was in a bidding war on a specific bronze card that is INSANELY underrated last night. I lost the first one that went for over 450PP. Won the second one at the last second at 425PP.

It pays to really look through your league. Trust me on that.

Fyrestorm3 · 11-12-2018, 11:07 AM

I'm trying to build a team with all Boston players, so I jumped on some Bronze cards this weekend. Even bought a couple Irons at auction so that I could finish out my lineup (Sandy Leon, oh boy). So I agree, put 'em up for auction with auto-sell ticked, unless you REALLY need that 25 to get another pack.

Either way, this will be mitigated with the introduction of collections and tournaments in the future.

LGreen7519 · 11-12-2018, 02:42 PM

But, since we are in the Public beta league, this is all just practice, anyway - right? All of the teams and cards are being wiped out when the final launch takes place in late November or early December...

Fyrestorm3 · 11-12-2018, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LGreen7519

But, since we are in the Public beta league, this is all just practice, anyway - right? All of the teams and cards are being wiped out when the final launch takes place in late November or early December...

Yes, of course, but this should in theory accurately model how things will play out upon the official release, so concerns are valid.

LGreen7519 · 11-12-2018, 02:54 PM

Yup. Agreed. I just wouldn't want to make too much effort and/or get to attached to my team knowing that this is just a test phase - like, collecting all Red Sox players for instance. But, as you say, great to test your strategies now. When I first signed up, I didn't notice the Public Beta taste note.

Westheim · 11-13-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaneCarson

Bronze market definitely isn't dead. Was in a bidding war on a specific bronze card that is INSANELY underrated last night. I lost the first one that went for over 450PP. Won the second one at the last second at 425PP.

It pays to really look through your league. Trust me on that.

The odd one or two, sure. 99% of bronze cards are worthless. Another ten auctions for bronze cards for a minimum bid expired without a bidder while I was at work. It's pointless; tear them up and be done with it.

Especially since at 25 PP you are even selling them at a loss due to the house taking its cut.

Dogberry99 · 11-14-2018, 03:38 PM

Are all cards being placed up for auction coming from the players?

mikezone13 · 11-14-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogberry99

Are all cards being placed up for auction coming from the players?

Good question, and I have wondered this myself.

Orcin · 11-14-2018, 05:54 PM

Where else would they come from???

mikezone13 · 11-15-2018, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

Where else would they come from???

The server (the AI) could offer up cards for auction as a way of getting different cards into the pool or to take PP out of the pool as a way to encourage more PP to be purchased.

Basically seeding cards into the auction at random to generate to activity and take PP out of the market. It's can be used to control an economy.

sansterre · 11-15-2018, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

The odd one or two, sure. 99% of bronze cards are worthless. Another ten auctions for bronze cards for a minimum bid expired without a bidder while I was at work. It's pointless; tear them up and be done with it.

Especially since at 25 PP you are even selling them at a loss due to the house taking its cut.

It depends on how your team is built. If you're Gringoing it up with a super-specific park, certain Bronzes retain a lot of value. My team is quite loaded (six diamonds, 8-10 golds, etc), but my catcher is a 69 point Bronze and I haven't found anything close to an improvement. Bronze pitchers died for me a week ago, but I still have several Bronze hitters who are too good to talk me out of selling the Silver/Gold/Diamond players I draw that are only marginal upgrades over them, if that.

pher431 · 11-15-2018, 12:54 PM

I love this idea. I think it would level the playing field if you're restricted to a PP salary cap. I think it would also add an additional challenge of constructing your team with the right mix of players, not just stock piling all 90+ rated players.

Orcin · 11-15-2018, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pher431

I love this idea. I think it would level the playing field if you're restricted to a PP salary cap. I think it would also add an additional challenge of constructing your team with the right mix of players, not just stock piling all 90+ rated players.

You can already set a PP salary cap for yourself. The playing field will be very level in rookie league. Other players that prefer to play without one will rise to leagues above you, and won't be bothering you in a few short weeks. If you rise to A with your self-imposed cap and beat people there, more power to you.

Everyone should be allowed to play their game in their own way, and PT allows you to do just that! Don't try to make others conform to your ideas.

Fyrestorm3 · 11-15-2018, 03:38 PM

The problem with having salary cap leagues is that people would have to opt into them. Obviously the dev team isn't going to impose a salary cap game-wide, or else the market for buying PP would take a hit. So you'd end up with X number of salary cap leagues and Y number of non-cap leagues. The onus would then be on the players to choose which league to join, which screws with the automation process and the P/R system, would split the playerbase, and it would just be a bit of a mess.

Salary cap tournaments, however, should be relatively easy to implement, and Markus has said that may be a possibility in the future (along with other themes).

kcharles520 · 11-17-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Well, Bronze/Silvers could gain a boost if we could see L/R splits on the card before we bought them too. A lot of them are perfectly good platoon players IMO.

Exactly...I still have a few bronze guys in my lineup because they can crush either LHP or RHP but not both....and my team has been pretty successful even in the 2nd season with those guys in the lineup.

Ability to see splits on the cards before buying needs to get implemented imo.

<Pion> · 11-28-2018, 12:15 PM

The bronze market has rebounded. Prices on the auction house are quite high with everyone starting over, but that was to be expected.

Orcin · 11-28-2018, 12:32 PM

As predicted...

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Originally Posted by Orcin

I predict that there will be one more bronze bubble right after the beta wipe. However, it won't be as big or last as long because:

1. people now understand that bronze is only temporary while diamonds last forever
2. PP purchases will be enabled thus some former bronze hunters will be looking for bigger game
3. more people will be participating so the pool of available bronze cards will be larger

11-12-2018, 11:07 AM	#45
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	I'm trying to build a team with all Boston players, so I jumped on some Bronze cards this weekend. Even bought a couple Irons at auction so that I could finish out my lineup (Sandy Leon, oh boy). So I agree, put 'em up for auction with auto-sell ticked, unless you REALLY need that 25 to get another pack. Either way, this will be mitigated with the introduction of collections and tournaments in the future. __________________ Jersey Template (Photoshop) \| Cap Template (Photoshop)

11-15-2018, 03:38 PM	#57
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	The problem with having salary cap leagues is that people would have to opt into them. Obviously the dev team isn't going to impose a salary cap game-wide, or else the market for buying PP would take a hit. So you'd end up with X number of salary cap leagues and Y number of non-cap leagues. The onus would then be on the players to choose which league to join, which screws with the automation process and the P/R system, would split the playerbase, and it would just be a bit of a mess. Salary cap tournaments, however, should be relatively easy to implement, and Markus has said that may be a possibility in the future (along with other themes). __________________ Jersey Template (Photoshop) \| Cap Template (Photoshop)

11-12-2018, 06:14 AM	#42
ThePretender All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,303	I just bought two bronze cards. I don't think the market is as dead as you think. I don't see the downside in just tossing them out for a low auction and if they don't sell, then immediately get the 5-25 points.

11-12-2018, 09:31 AM	#44
ShaneCarson All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 728	Bronze market definitely isn't dead. Was in a bidding war on a specific bronze card that is INSANELY underrated last night. I lost the first one that went for over 450PP. Won the second one at the last second at 425PP. It pays to really look through your league. Trust me on that.

11-12-2018, 02:42 PM	#46
LGreen7519 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6	But, since we are in the Public beta league, this is all just practice, anyway - right? All of the teams and cards are being wiped out when the final launch takes place in late November or early December...

11-12-2018, 02:54 PM	#48
LGreen7519 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6	Yup. Agreed. I just wouldn't want to make too much effort and/or get to attached to my team knowing that this is just a test phase - like, collecting all Red Sox players for instance. But, as you say, great to test your strategies now. When I first signed up, I didn't notice the Public Beta taste note.

11-14-2018, 03:38 PM	#50
Dogberry99 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 1,328	Are all cards being placed up for auction coming from the players?

11-14-2018, 05:54 PM	#52
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	Where else would they come from???

11-15-2018, 12:54 PM	#55
pher431 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Monroe CT Posts: 44	I love this idea. I think it would level the playing field if you're restricted to a PP salary cap. I think it would also add an additional challenge of constructing your team with the right mix of players, not just stock piling all 90+ rated players.

11-28-2018, 12:15 PM	#59
<Pion> All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,428	The bronze market has rebounded. Prices on the auction house are quite high with everyone starting over, but that was to be expected.