How many of you noticed how few people are complaining about anything serious?

The Wolf · 03-31-2015, 01:42 AM

It looks to me like this version is so good, and so well tested and polished, that there really aren't any major issues for people to be screaming about - because I notice a serious absence of bona fide screams. Usually by now there would be a significant number of legitimate screams, some name-calling and one or two flamewars, but except for the occasional small problem and the occasional troll, everything is pretty quiet.

I like it.

The Game · 03-31-2015, 01:53 AM

I am somewhat surprised at what few major bugs 16 seems to have. There are a few minor glitches still but nothing major. It is also really cool seeing all the Newbs on here. Can't remember seeing this many newbs before.

gads · 03-31-2015, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

It looks to me like this version is so good, and so well tested and polished, that there really aren't any major issues for people to be screaming about - because I notice a serious absence of bona fide screams. Usually by now there would be a significant number of legitimate screams, some name-calling and one or two flamewars, but except for the occasional small problem and the occasional troll, everything is pretty quiet.

I like it.

Completely agree!

The Wolf · 03-31-2015, 03:17 AM

I'm thinking that the lack of significant complaints is a result of the pure quality of this version, and I think/hope the newbs are coming in from Steam and mlb.com. Hopefully there will be a lot of them.

mking55 · 03-31-2015, 04:29 AM

Overall, I tend to agree that this is the best version with the fewest out of the box bugs. I think the reason for this is twofold. One is that there was a reasonably stable product to begin with (it's been many years in the making). The other is that I think they've organised themselves into a proper testing pattern. All this is good.

As for "serious" problems, there is one. When you release a patch and the game sims about 8X slower than before, that's a major problem. Fortunately this is only on the MAC and I'm a little disheartened that I have to wait until the next patch until they fix this major boo-boo. When you are the developer and you break something, you fix it pronto. At least in my world (and that is 25 years of software development) you do.

Nothing is ever easy, is it?

Matt Arnold · 03-31-2015, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mking55

Overall, I tend to agree that this is the best version with the fewest out of the box bugs. I think the reason for this is twofold. One is that there was a reasonably stable product to begin with (it's been many years in the making). The other is that I think they've organised themselves into a proper testing pattern. All this is good.

As for "serious" problems, there is one. When you release a patch and the game sims about 8X slower than before, that's a major problem. Fortunately this is only on the MAC and I'm a little disheartened that I have to wait until the next patch until they fix this major boo-boo. When you are the developer and you break something, you fix it pronto. At least in my world (and that is 25 years of software development) you do.

Nothing is ever easy, is it?

Apologies for that. There is a workaround available: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...32-post22.html

And this will be fixed in the next patch

MarkInCincy · 03-31-2015, 06:26 AM

In my 35 years as a software/database developer/manager and 13 yrs of playing OOTP this is not only the best release/version of OOTP (in features and buglessness-hey I invented a new word!!) but is also one of the smoothest,stable and bug free releases I have ever seen for ANY software.
2 patches already for what Wolf correctly described as minor is amazingingly quick. OOTP is definitely quality code and the team obviously knows what to do at every step of the development life cycle from the initial design thru release and fix phase.

Markus has obviously built a great team , hearty congrats to all including everyone in the community who helped, from contributing their time from everything from rosters to testing.
...........

bbmike · 03-31-2015, 06:33 AM

Well, for me not being able to stop the game from overwriting my custom uniforms and caps is serious.

But I do agree with the spirit of your message. Considering how far OOTP has advanced over the years it seemed like a very smooth release.

MarkInCincy · 03-31-2015, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bbmike

Well, for me not being able to stop the game from overwriting my custom uniforms and caps is serious.

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Any time you mod anything in software (including data or database) and the vendor releases a new version or patch you have to re-do your mods. Thats why if I do things like mod the stats folder, add/change images, basically anything in any OOTP folder, I make a copy of it after every change somewhere so I can copy it back in as needed.

The Wolf · 03-31-2015, 08:55 AM

And of course a couple of people have to come in here and whine about trivial matters. Sigh.

Assos · 03-31-2015, 09:07 AM

But we have come a long way from 2004! A almost complete re write and a change in style and appearance. This is the most complete version out of the box!

Lou Gehrig · 03-31-2015, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

It looks to me like this version is so good, and so well tested and polished, that there really aren't any major issues for people to be screaming about - because I notice a serious absence of bona fide screams.

I agree Wolf.

I only wish players would give more thought on the title of their thread and how it appears to newcomers visiting the site. There have been too many problems declared as fact in the title which upon review have been totally baseless.

bbmike · 03-31-2015, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

And of course a couple of people have to come in here and whine about trivial matters. Sigh.

Well, from my point of view it's really not a trivial matter. I've had the same league since 2007 and to not be able to use custom uniforms is very frustrating. I don't pretend to know as much as some of you guys do but I'm not exactly a newbie either. I've customized leagues for years.
Sorry man, I won't post in your thread again.

gads · 03-31-2015, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bbmike

Well, from my point of view it's really not a trivial matter. I've had the same league since 2007 and to not be able to use custom uniforms is very frustrating. I don't pretend to know as much as some of you guys do but I'm not exactly a newbie either. I've customized leagues for years.
Sorry man, I won't post in your thread again.

Well, he didn't mention you specifically lol.

ecd1973 · 03-31-2015, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

It looks to me like this version is so good, and so well tested and polished, that there really aren't any major issues for people to be screaming about - because I notice a serious absence of bona fide screams. Usually by now there would be a significant number of legitimate screams, some name-calling and one or two flamewars, but except for the occasional small problem and the occasional troll, everything is pretty quiet.

I like it.

Definitely agree. The doubleheader logic needs a little work (which I figured since that code must be fairly complex) but overall amazingly solid. I hope OOTP got a lot of new customers with the MLB licensing.

The Wolf · 03-31-2015, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bbmike

Well, from my point of view it's really not a trivial matter. I've had the same league since 2007 and to not be able to use custom uniforms is very frustrating. I don't pretend to know as much as some of you guys do but I'm not exactly a newbie either. I've customized leagues for years.
Sorry man, I won't post in your thread again.

No offense, but that's a pretty trivial problem and it's easily fixed if you know what you're doing. That is definitely not a significant problem.

The Wolf · 03-31-2015, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lou Gehrig

I agree Wolf.

I only wish players would give more thought on the title of their thread and how it appears to newcomers visiting the site. There have been too many problems declared as fact in the title which upon review have been totally baseless.

Yes, somebody always shows up here with a self-inflicted problem, and then starts a thread entitled "OMG! THE GAME IS TOTALLY BROKEN!!!" or such. It makes me want to throw things sometimes.

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 03-31-2015, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mking55

Overall, I tend to agree that this is the best version with the fewest out of the box bugs. I think the reason for this is twofold. One is that there was a reasonably stable product to begin with (it's been many years in the making). The other is that I think they've organised themselves into a proper testing pattern. All this is good.

As for "serious" problems, there is one. When you release a patch and the game sims about 8X slower than before, that's a major problem. Fortunately this is only on the MAC and I'm a little disheartened that I have to wait until the next patch until they fix this major boo-boo. When you are the developer and you break something, you fix it pronto. At least in my world (and that is 25 years of software development) you do.

Nothing is ever easy, is it?

Never would've happened if you had a PC...

Matt Arnold · 03-31-2015, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DustinthePOWERHOUSE

Never would've happened if you had a PC...

Lol, I hate Macs, but I don't go out of my way to make their lives harder.

But the funny part is this "bug" exists on both systems, so PC users would also see stuff go slower than before. But something in the sound management on the PC must be a lot better as it certainly hasn't been noticeably different.

gads · 03-31-2015, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Lol, I hate Macs, but I don't go out of my way to make their lives harder.

But the funny part is this "bug" exists on both systems, so PC users would also see stuff go slower than before. But something in the sound management on the PC must be a lot better as it certainly hasn't been noticeably different.

I hate Macs too. I am 100% against Macs.

03-31-2015, 01:53 AM	#2
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mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	Overall, I tend to agree that this is the best version with the fewest out of the box bugs. I think the reason for this is twofold. One is that there was a reasonably stable product to begin with (it's been many years in the making). The other is that I think they've organised themselves into a proper testing pattern. All this is good. As for "serious" problems, there is one. When you release a patch and the game sims about 8X slower than before, that's a major problem. Fortunately this is only on the MAC and I'm a little disheartened that I have to wait until the next patch until they fix this major boo-boo. When you are the developer and you break something, you fix it pronto. At least in my world (and that is 25 years of software development) you do. Nothing is ever easy, is it? __________________ Why do you live in Boading? Somebody has to. http://adventuresinjurong.wordpress.com/

03-31-2015, 06:26 AM	#7
MarkInCincy All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Cincinnait, OH (WestSider) Posts: 657	In my 35 years as a software/database developer/manager and 13 yrs of playing OOTP this is not only the best release/version of OOTP (in features and buglessness-hey I invented a new word!!) but is also one of the smoothest,stable and bug free releases I have ever seen for ANY software. 2 patches already for what Wolf correctly described as minor is amazingingly quick. OOTP is definitely quality code and the team obviously knows what to do at every step of the development life cycle from the initial design thru release and fix phase. Markus has obviously built a great team , hearty congrats to all including everyone in the community who helped, from contributing their time from everything from rosters to testing. ........... __________________ "A baseball fan has the digestive apparatus of a billy goat. He can, and does, devour any set of statistics with insatiable appetite and then nuzzles hungrily for more." - Sportswriter Arthur Daley "Who says there's an unemployment problem in this country? Just take the five percent unemployed and give them a baseball stat to follow." - Outfielder Andy Van Slyke Last edited by MarkInCincy; 03-31-2015 at 06:31 AM.

03-31-2015, 06:33 AM	#8
bbmike Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 115	Well, for me not being able to stop the game from overwriting my custom uniforms and caps is serious. But I do agree with the spirit of your message. Considering how far OOTP has advanced over the years it seemed like a very smooth release.

03-31-2015, 09:07 AM	#11
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,772	But we have come a long way from 2004! A almost complete re write and a change in style and appearance. This is the most complete version out of the box!