MLB In Season Tournament?

monkeyman576 · 12-10-2023, 12:26 PM

The NBA In Season Tournament has been pretty popular, should MLB follow a similar route?

MathBandit · 12-10-2023, 12:37 PM

The scheduling flexibility required could be a nightmare for the MLB I think. Especially with the need to have alternating home/away each year against the 15 teams in the other league.

monkeyman576 · 12-10-2023, 12:39 PM

I don't think it would be that bad. Computer algorithims make scheduling pretty easy. Group stage games could be incorperated into the existing schedule just like the NBA. The regular season could be started a week later and end a week later to incorperate the knockout stage games. Or, alternatively, you could make it a true 30 team knockout tournament and adjust the schedule on the fly. It might not be perfectly "fair" for the regular season but the excitement of a true 30 team tournament(world series teams from the previous year have first round bye) makes it worth it in my opinion. In world soccer, good teams have to play more cup games in the champions league and are perfectly ok with it, so I don't see why there can't be a workaround here.

TheMaus2 · 12-10-2023, 12:50 PM

it'd be terrible logistically and travel wise and would add more unnecessary games to what is already the most grueling regular season in sports but it would probably make more money so Manfred would probably do it

MathBandit · 12-10-2023, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I don't think it would be that bad. Computer algorithims make scheduling pretty easy. Group stage games could be incorperated into the existing schedule just like the NBA. The regular season could be started a week later and end a week later to incorperate the knockout stage games. Or, alternatively, you could make it a true 30 team knockout tournament and adjust the schedule on the fly. It might not be perfectly "fair" for the regular season but the excitement of a true 30 team tournament(world series teams from the previous year have first round bye) makes it worth it in my opinion. In world soccer, good teams have to play more cup games in the champions league and are perfectly ok with it, so I don't see why there can't be a workaround here.

Ah, so don't count the knockout stage games the way they currently do in the NBA you mean?

monkeyman576 · 12-10-2023, 12:54 PM

reduce the schedule to 154 games and make it happen.

monkeyman576 · 12-10-2023, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathBandit

Ah, so don't count the knockout stage games the way they currently do in the NBA you mean?

Not if you reduce the schedule ot 154 games.

MathBandit · 12-10-2023, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Not if you reduce the schedule ot 154 games.

I don't see teams letting their ace pitchers throw in games that don't matter.

monkeyman576 · 12-10-2023, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathBandit

I don't see teams letting their ace pitchers throw in games that don't matter.

That's a decision you have to make, just like soccer teams adjust their starting 11 accordingly. And it does officially count as a trophy, as well as tournament winnings(especially for lesser salaried players) so it does "matter"

MathBandit · 12-10-2023, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

That's a decision you have to make, just like soccer teams adjust their starting 11 accordingly. And it does officially count as a trophy, as well as tournament winnings(especially for lesser salaried players) so it does "matter"

Football teams don't have to go a week without their striker if he plays in a mid-week Cup game. The concept of "counting as a trophy" is also lost on an American audience that thinks an 84-win season with a WS is a better team and/or better accomplishment than a 100-win DS loss season. And finally the risk of losing your star pitcher to injury is *much* higher in a given game than the similar risk to losing a star player in football.

monkeyman576 · 12-10-2023, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathBandit

Football teams don't have to go a week without their striker if he plays in a mid-week Cup game. The concept of "counting as a trophy" is also lost on an American audience that thinks an 84-win season with a WS is a better team and/or better accomplishment than a 100-win DS loss season. And finally the risk of losing your star pitcher to injury is *much* higher in a given game than the similar risk to losing a star player in football.

Injuries are part of the game. If you don't want to pitch your ace you don't have to.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 12-10-2023, 01:37 PM

I vote no to any in-season tournaments in any team sport, unless they're conducted at roughly the relevant midseason or after-postseason times between the applicable nations, leagues/conferences/divisions, or all-star teams or the appropriate sport-related equivalents. There is no logical sense to disrupt things needlessly, in any sport, when the entire season is meant to determine just who is the overall champion in the applicable grouping of teams for a certain designated season, after all, right?

In my view, this is mainly driven by the desire to earn more money for teams and leagues through merchandise sales and all, and not really for any other purpose but that. IF you really think about it, don't you realize that just by people conducting regular seasons and/or postseasons, you're seeing an in-season tournament of sorts already present between many associated teams, in any number of sports? Why then would you ever really need to essentially complicate certain things and make things much more confusing to follow here, potentially? After all, isn't that what the typical regular season and postseason schedule is meant to determine a champion for every season, folks?

I'll probably write at least a bit more here later, as time then allows, if and whenever possible and all, I think. Thank you for your time and attention and all here, then, everyone. CD out.

MathBandit · 12-10-2023, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

There is no logical sense to disrupt things needlessly, in any sport, when the entire season is meant to determine just who is the overall champion in the applicable grouping of teams for a certain designated season, after all, right?

The key distinction is that in the NBA it doesn't disrupt anything as every 'tournament' match other than the finals is just a regular season game.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 12-10-2023, 01:51 PM

That may be true here, MathBandit, but it still seems rather pointless, just the same, and mainly a money grab of sorts, at least, if nothing else as well, to me here and now. Of course, I could be wrong about that, at least in direct relation to the NBA, but that's just how I see things here now of that nature, folks. CD out.

TheMaus2 · 12-10-2023, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Injuries are part of the game. If you don't want to pitch your ace you don't have to.

What is motivating MLB teams to play any essential players in a meaningless in season tournament? Why not watch the minor leagues or something? MLB teams play 6 days a week and you want to add a seventh game because the people like the new NBA gimmick. people loved the new All-Star format with the elam ending when it happened & now they're talking about switching it back to East/West. the MLB doesnt need a new shiny toy that people will get bored of.

snarls200 · 12-10-2023, 10:51 PM

at least the big in season tournaments like the FA sense since the winner if not already qualified and not on suspension gets into the contential competition

monkeyman576 · 12-10-2023, 10:53 PM

So give the winner a ticket to the playoffs? Or a first round bye if they are already in it.

12-10-2023, 12:26 PM	#1
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,949	MLB In Season Tournament? The NBA In Season Tournament has been pretty popular, should MLB follow a similar route?

12-10-2023, 12:39 PM	#3
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,949	I don't think it would be that bad. Computer algorithims make scheduling pretty easy. Group stage games could be incorperated into the existing schedule just like the NBA. The regular season could be started a week later and end a week later to incorperate the knockout stage games. Or, alternatively, you could make it a true 30 team knockout tournament and adjust the schedule on the fly. It might not be perfectly "fair" for the regular season but the excitement of a true 30 team tournament(world series teams from the previous year have first round bye) makes it worth it in my opinion. In world soccer, good teams have to play more cup games in the champions league and are perfectly ok with it, so I don't see why there can't be a workaround here. Last edited by monkeyman576; 12-10-2023 at 12:49 PM.

12-10-2023, 12:50 PM	#4
TheMaus2 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The OOTP Forums. Always. Posts: 1,949 Blog Entries: 16	it'd be terrible logistically and travel wise and would add more unnecessary games to what is already the most grueling regular season in sports but it would probably make more money so Manfred would probably do it __________________ I write a monthly newsletter on the Food Baseball Association. I also listen to music no one's ever heard of in hopes of looking cool and alternative.

12-10-2023, 01:37 PM	#12
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 6,896	I vote no to any in-season tournaments in any team sport, unless they're conducted at roughly the relevant midseason or after-postseason times between the applicable nations, leagues/conferences/divisions, or all-star teams or the appropriate sport-related equivalents. There is no logical sense to disrupt things needlessly, in any sport, when the entire season is meant to determine just who is the overall champion in the applicable grouping of teams for a certain designated season, after all, right? In my view, this is mainly driven by the desire to earn more money for teams and leagues through merchandise sales and all, and not really for any other purpose but that. IF you really think about it, don't you realize that just by people conducting regular seasons and/or postseasons, you're seeing an in-season tournament of sorts already present between many associated teams, in any number of sports? Why then would you ever really need to essentially complicate certain things and make things much more confusing to follow here, potentially? After all, isn't that what the typical regular season and postseason schedule is meant to determine a champion for every season, folks? I'll probably write at least a bit more here later, as time then allows, if and whenever possible and all, I think. Thank you for your time and attention and all here, then, everyone. CD out. __________________ Some Favorite Bible Verses: Proverbs 16:7 KJV Romans 12:18 KJV Philippians 2:1-11 KJV DeviantArt: https://www.deviantart.com/clovidequano-dovatha GBA: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=316515 EC's IPA: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=158631 Updates to my various threads may be delayed or sporadic, and requests may still be some time away, while I continue working on LUtD. CD out.

12-10-2023, 01:51 PM	#14
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 6,896	That may be true here, MathBandit, but it still seems rather pointless, just the same, and mainly a money grab of sorts, at least, if nothing else as well, to me here and now. Of course, I could be wrong about that, at least in direct relation to the NBA, but that's just how I see things here now of that nature, folks. CD out. __________________ Some Favorite Bible Verses: Proverbs 16:7 KJV Romans 12:18 KJV Philippians 2:1-11 KJV DeviantArt: https://www.deviantart.com/clovidequano-dovatha GBA: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=316515 EC's IPA: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=158631 Updates to my various threads may be delayed or sporadic, and requests may still be some time away, while I continue working on LUtD. CD out.

12-10-2023, 12:37 PM	#2
MathBandit All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 1,312	The scheduling flexibility required could be a nightmare for the MLB I think. Especially with the need to have alternating home/away each year against the 15 teams in the other league.

12-10-2023, 12:54 PM	#6
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,949	reduce the schedule to 154 games and make it happen.

12-10-2023, 10:51 PM	#16
snarls200 Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 479	at least the big in season tournaments like the FA sense since the winner if not already qualified and not on suspension gets into the contential competition

12-10-2023, 10:53 PM	#17
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,949	So give the winner a ticket to the playoffs? Or a first round bye if they are already in it.